Steve Sells Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 3 Phase equipment isnt cheap, glad you found a reasonable disconnect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thanks Steve.. much better than what else I found. On that note today was a huge day of equipment moving. Lets just say what the truck and trailer were a little squatty. My buddy Andrew came out to help. Still have few more items to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 There goes all that empty space; started planning for the next extension yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelonian Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 That's a lot of iron and steel to move around! Those Edwards shears are really cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thomas planned for that when I ordered the building.. The front shed roof has exactly the same foot print with the exact spacing needed to match perfectly. Take down the walls I just put up, move them out the 20ft, bolt them back on and good to go.. I really calculated right down to the inch so a lot of the extra stuff will get sold off once I get the forges in. I have some treasures there that were my pride and joys for years. the Plummer tire bender, the Champion tire shrinker and welder, the Edwards 10E and 20.. LOL.. I guess there are a bunch of things.. Chelonian, I'm beat.. Everything is sore.. The Edwards shears are very cool.. 2 different types.. Aligator #10B and #5 and Parrot jaw #20 and #5 The Parrots jaw is a later design with even more capacity then the 10B.. 1 more full load should do it for gear. I'm leaving the bar stock in place till next spring. Placed the doors into position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I thought that the Edwards shears came in basically 2 sizes: "Too Heavy" and "Way Too Heavy!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Nothing beats moving in! Long time in coming. Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thomas the #20 is actually a steel construction and is only a few hundred pounds. It will shear 1 3/8" cold.. It was also avalible with cable jaws and a few others. I called Edwards years ago to see if anything was available. You can still by jaws for the 10 and 5 as they take the same jaws but the 20's last check none of the special jaws were NA. Like all things these days.. They only carry stuff for short time frame. Anvil, there is still a bunch of work to do.. But with the manlift I should be able to do the lights, heat, and such with the gear in, so figured better get the gear up here before the snow flies. I will in the next few weeks go pick up the 200lbs Fairbanks hammer too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 WAHOO!!!! Finally getting to move stuff in! Congratulations. Looks like the prospective students will have equipment to work with. You are a blacksmith hoarder!!!! LOL Been a long time coming and I know you are one proud lady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Arkie, WOOHOO for sure.. I'm starting to get pretty excited about the whole thing.. Big finished project person so this is getting there.. Very exciting for sure. It's also great getting this old tools into someplace they can be better taken care off. The tire bender and tire shrinker just needed some oil and some elbow grease but got everything freed up on the bender. the tire shrinker still has 1 semi stuck arm. Moves a little so giving it a chance to oil penetrate over night should have it good tomorrow. I'm lucky because with any new tool purchase i pull it all apart and clean it, then grease and oil it. So, usually respond pretty good.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Crew Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Jennifer I love tools! Old tools especially . They used to be made to last now everything is made to be replaced . You have collected a lot of very cool tools. Glad your getting them inside before the weather gets any worse. Once you finish the doors I can picture you spending the entire winter in the shop. I imagine that you will spend half the time doing electrical and lights and other shop building things. But the other half will be spent getting reacquainted with your treasures cleaning them ,polishing them, arranging them, loving on them. congratulations on all the hard work you should be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel now David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 If I was closer I would pop in to help with the electrical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Old Crew (David) without your help and guidance the project would still be just that.. A project. It was touch and go a few times and your help and assurance was a guiding light.. I'm a huge fan of older iron.. And it's funny that I feel more connected to hand work and manual tooling with partial electric turn of the century tools than what we have today.. I have a real appreciation for modern welders and bandsaws but it is interesting that even at the turn of the century bandsaws were in use for wood. Funny, the connection.. Steve. I could certainly use a hand and maybe if you don't mind contact you via PM for clarification on NEC and such. I read up on installs few years back (2004) but the codes have become more convoluted since then with a bunch of exceptions. Before it was do it this way.. Now its do it this way unless you have XYZ and then you can it this way, unless X is here but z is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 No one has the newest NEC adopted yet. everyone is a little behind, having said that most things don't change much, its people like you not used to doing it everyday that can really get swallowed up by the code. Plus most every area has its local codes in addition to the national, like any other law its a matter of knowing how the enforcing body interprets it that matters most. Now that I have you really worried, I will be glad to help in anyway I can, sent you my phone number in a PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 Steve much wisdom you your writing.. For sure. Back in 2004 I had some guidance and then left on my own but had a person to call in a pinch or with questions. The person this time around said they were to busy for any real help.. So, more reading. and you are so correct as to the local inspectors and such.. Thanks for the PM. I won't pester you to much I hope. the SE and meter socket and external disconnect will be installed by a licensed pro.. Maybe even the inside panels but think I can get back on the horse after all these years away.. LOL.. WE will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 If you have a person there already to install service entrance, mount meter, and disconnect; ask them how much more for the panels and system grounding. (I believe in twin ground rods) All that takes care of most the potential problems with your local code. And its no bother, I am bored stiff I have been on this CV19 layoff since March How are you at bending emt conduit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 That was part of the plan, bonding the meter socket, disconnect and panels. It's an under ground SE, But get mixed input from different people. Some say the electric company will supply to meter, some say I have to supply the cable to pole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasent Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Looking forward to seeing slag on the floor. Is that a papa rhino anvil I see? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deimos Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Would love to help out with the electrical work, but i am only up to date with the rules in Europe. Over here the rule is that if you change more then 30% of the existing electrical system, you have to update everything to the latest edition of the NEN 1010 (2005). Getting 3 phase over here is pretty doable, my house has a 1p 230Vac 25A at the moment and when get my bigger tools (and my wife gets her induction cook thingy) it will get upgraded to 3p 400Vac 25A, will only cost 260,- and the monthly cost goes from 8 to 19. (can go as high as 3p 400Vac 80A, but that's overkilling the overkill) The shop you built looks amazing and the tools you have to work with leaves me drooling, pure blacksmith porn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 I wouldn't say that all old tools were built to last; just that the ones which have lasted were built to last. 120 years ago Sears Roebuck sold cast iron ASO's along with rebranded Hay Buddens; guess which ones can be found more easily today? What in archeology is know as "an artifact of preservation". Of course it sometimes works backwards: IIRC Eric Sloane once found an old tool that was in MINT condition and was really excited---till he tried to use it and found that it was such a poor design that it was useless and so had been discarded pretty much unused. (A classic example of an artifact of preservation is the lack of bast fiber clothing found in Northern Europe: we find the tools to make it, mentions in writings and Sagas; but very little of it shows up in digs----turns out that the acidic soil conditions destroys bast fibers while preserving protein fibers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Way back when, I found a neat little vintage travel shaving kit that I thought would be perfect to take with me on my many business trips -- until I realized that the reason it was in perfect condition was that the case that held it and all its miniature accessories took up more space than the full-sized versions I usually carried. No wonder it was in such good shape! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 So little update time. I messed up on the design of the doors.. Today I was talking with Eric J. and all of a sudden it dawned on my I could have shaped the middle part at a matching 45 or 30 degree and then I could have used regular hinges.. How come you guys didn't get me straight on it.. typical these days my brain works so slowly compared to when I was 30 or even 40.. I got the last few items of blacksmithing gear proper in the shop. Stuff is still disorganized but it's just a time frame now and not beholden to weather.. I will pick up the 200lbs Fairbanks power hammer Monday.. It will need some work as it was taken apart to move originally and it's been apart since just found out.. . Guy said it's still sitting where we put it.. Was hoping he would have fixed it all.. Here is "Glimpse 2" A look into the JLP Teaching center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frazer Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Pardon me while I wipe the drool off my keyboard... That's quite treasure trove you have there. Glad to see your tools making their way in! You must be very excited with everything coming together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Yes, few items of blacksmithing wonderfulness. I have been fortunate enough that I keep long term gear goals in mind. So over the course of 40 years I have purchased nearly every item I wanted as a child. The tire and axle upsetter was a huge buy, the Boynton and Plummer tire bender another huge buy, and lastly the Candy Otto New Model 16 huge buy.. Of course I'd love to have a Columbian tire bender in the largest size but have only seen 1 in 40 years.. Love to get the largest tire shrinker too which is a number 3.. I think that would end the quest for gear.. Oh and a 400lbs swedish style anvil in mint shape.. Of course not to mention a few select anvil purchases which is interesting because my Hay Budden 175lbs is still my favorite to work on even after 30+ years. (back when I was coming up no one liked Hay Buddens because they rang so loudly. Everyone wanted Peter Wrights and Peddinghaus.. At least the smiths in my area and auctions i went to. Exciting for sure. I brought in the last item yesterday that was still outside. The huge New Model 16 Canedy Otto post drill. Needed some work on the stand so had to get that welded up before the move. So all that is left from the blacksmithing stuff is all the metal stock and vintage iron items. Coming along for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Jen, that shop is beginning to look like a blacksmith museum! Great collection of stuff. It will all be put to good use by your lucky students! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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