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  2. Screw&screw box pics,and I found a 50 stamped below the 1903.
  3. I was planning on using the top as another dishing form, as I did with the top of the scuba tank that became my first two dishing forms.
  4. Bell, gas forge shell, dishing form; all that is left is the squeal and the cutting swarf!
  5. Just got an empty Ar-CO2 cylinder that I plan to turn into dishing forms. This is a T-size cylinder that nominally weighs 143 pounds, so the welding supply place’s flat fee of $15/tank brought this home to me for well under scrap price.
  6. I think my copy of "Modern Blacksmith" got wet in Hurricane Ida. However, before FiF, before Foxfire, almost any time guys with metal skills had extra time on their hands, they were building knives. The first time I went offshore (circa 1965-66?) The shop in the hold of the converted LST I was a galley hand in was producing knives out of files and leaf springs. The first cable-damascus (it wasn't called that then) I ever saw was one made for a friend's older brother by his father when he went to the Korean conflict. The handle was unwelded cable except for the pommel. One guy who WON'T be building a knife soon is me! I feel like I'm a victim of "bait and switch". I went in for a simple "trigger thumb" release today. Doc said I'd be playing guitar again in three days. It must have been worse than he thought, cause while I was still out in recovery he told my wife I couldn't use it for TWO WEEKS! Grrrrrr!
  7. If the liquidus and the solidus are the same, then the material is either liquid or solid, but not both. If liquid water at 32°F loses enough energy, it freezes and becomes solid ice at 32°F; there is no point at which pure water is both liquid and solid at the same time. It is possible for some quality of water to be partially frozen, but that’s not the same thing, as it is at least theoretically possible to separate the solid ice from the liquid water without any change to either. In the example of 99% iron + 1% carbon at 2600°F, on the other hand, if you somehow managed to separate the austenite from the liquid iron, some of the austenite would melt, because 2600° is above the solidus of approximately 2550°F. At the same time, some of the liquid iron would crystallize into austenite, as 2600°F is below the liquidus of approximately 2720°F. Such nitpicking aside, the fact remains that any forge welding is going to be done at temperatures well below the both the liquidus and the solidus of the steel. Remember that liquidus is a temperature, not a state — at welding temperatures, the steel does not become some kind of “liquid-like solid” that melts together.
  8. Thomas, that is a really good idea…one that I should have thought of before… Chad, they are railings from a building that is new enough that they shouldn’t be wrought. I am just trying to be cheap. I think I am still being fairly economical. I bought a gallon of stripper for $60 and half of it has done around 80 feet of 3/4 stock on all sides. Idk how much 3/4 stock is per foot, but not including labor, I think I am ahead
  9. I can't say myself, at this point I'd likely grab a paint scraper, respirator, and a shop vac and see if any elbow grease will help it along but I am not recommending anything. I'm more curious about your stock, is there a possibility that it's wrought iron and not mild steel? Have you checked that out yet? I'm not sure how the others would feel but If likely spend a bit more time on it if it's wrought.
  10. What did the company that makes it suggest when you asked them?
  11. Hello gents, I am hoping you all can continue to give me some advice. I bought some paint stripper suitable for lead (smart strip) and it has been working fairly well, except it doesn't seem to want to cut through the layer of primer on my metal. Maybe I just need to figure it out on my own, but I was wondering if leaving these out to rust will clear the last bit of paint off, or if I should strip it all the way down, or if there is enough there to not worry about it, assuming that the primer is lead based. All thoughts and comments are welcome! Thank you! -Will
  12. You are prolly right. I'll put the foxfire books as arriving later. I'll add Weigers three books and Practical Blacksmithing as other early influence. Still got all of them
  13. I still got you on the logic. And I'll settle for your second one. If A exists at temp x and B exists at temp x, then both A and B can exist at temp x. It cant be either/or for the same material. Beyond this, I agree with your statement. RTB, it definitely depends on what you read. Thats why I brought up Verhoeven. I've discussed the 1" crossection deal ad infinitum. You may find actual steel spec sheets from a steel producer that qualify their stats with anything similar to NOTE: these specs are for crossections 1" or larger, but its not the norm.. I have seen manufacturer/producer specs that give alternatives for both times, temps and quench for such things as "smaller" including 3/8" or 1/2" or 1/4" or 5/16" sizes for the general steels. we all use. All of which fall into the parameters of knifemaking. I have found specs from steel retailers, not manufactures, that support what you are saying. I believe this is a retailer CYA deal so when a guy who knows very little cracks a blade when quenching, they are covered. Also there is plenty on the internet that supports your statement. Its pretty common knowledge, for instance that if you want to be safe when using high carbon steels like 1095/W1, in thin crossections, then quench in oil. However, if you learn how to temper these same steels in water, its not a problem. I believe when doing this there is a tradeoff between hardness and toughness.
  14. Glad nothing worse was hit! I remember having to climb a tree that was dying near our house and take it down in about 60cm lengths using a bowsaw to make sure it wouldn't hit the house the next big storm we had.
  15. I still have a piece of air dried oak to make a crossbow stock out of; been drying for over 200 years now, yes 200 years. (Barn torn down by a developer in NJ) Maybe when I retire... IIRC The modern Blacksmith predated Foxfire 5 by half a decade. Coming from the hills myself, Ozarks, I've liked the Foxfire series and understand that their methods are often based on what they had rather than what might be best. (Shoot a lot of my work is still based on that!)
  16. One issue with RTB is that the books often are not written with respect to what we are doing. (And how we are doing it.) I once saw Daryl Meier's copy of a well known handbook on heat treating steel and there were a very large number of inserted pages with how heat treating blades differed in practice from the "industrial" suggestions. A big one is that most heat treat info is based on a cross section of 1" You know any blades 1" thick? This is why you often can slide one quenchant less aggressive (water to oil, oil to air, etc---depending on alloy). Also the slide can throw you off when you find that something has hardened on you unexpectedly! (O-1, in thin crossections, hardening in air has a history of surprising folks.)
  17. They were my two literary start into blacksmithing as well. I think the fox fire books were about the same time. However I got grabbed around that time by "The Gunsmith of Williamsburg" vid and the idea of making a flintlock rifle real bad. Its still on my to do list.
  18. You make this statement and one similar for solidus. I believe I understand where you are going, but, I believe you are using faulty logic. "but the minimum temperature at which ONLY a liquid can exist" If this is true, then a solid cannot exist at this temp because ONLY a liquid can exist at this temp. Your statement(s) are logical if and only if you remove the word "ONLY". If you do this, we are saying the same thing. Let me rephrase: liquidus is the lowest temperature at which a material can be completely liquid, and solidus is the highest temperature at which a material can be completely solid. If the liquidus and the solidus are the same, then the material can be either liquid or solid at that temperature. If the liquidus and the solidus are different, then when the material is at a temperature in between, it will be a combination of liquid and solid.
  19. Got me pegged as one who knows how it works in the forge, and trying to learn about the fiddly bits found in books. It took me at least 3 semesters to get thru first year chem. Turley gave a very short but very concise class on metallurgy. He finished it saying if you want more of this,,, RTB(read the book). Basically he gave me the confidence to deal with most any modern steels as long as I had a spec sheet and do it in a coal forge, with water or oil, and a bucket of lime. It's served me well. 4 or 5 years ago when smithing began on facebook I saw "fiddly details" coming from the knife guys that seemed to contradict my experience and very limited book learning. Definitely i got a particular body part buried deeply in the dirt when I presented my traditional oriented views. I also realized it was more due to semantics than anything else. Mine based on that of the traditional smith, they more on contemporary metallurgy. So I decided to follow Turley's advice,,, RTB. Thus Verhoeven enters my life with me fighting chem 101 every step of the way all over again. Dang'd terms! This is just to let all know that my knowledge of this is slim and basically I'm trying to fit what Turley said, And I accept, into this conversation. My conclusion up to now with this post is that what JHCC is saying is what I believe. However we have a semantics and, perhaps, a logic problem. You make this statement and one similar for solidus. I believe I understand where you are going, but, I believe you are using faulty logic. "but the minimum temperature at which ONLY a liquid can exist" If this is true, then a solid cannot exist at this temp because ONLY a liquid can exist at this temp. Your statement(s) are logical if and only if you remove the word "ONLY". If you do this, we are saying the same thing. "Thats my logic, and I'm sticking to it" Lol, a good line for a high tech country western song! I also believe,as you stated above and depending on material, perhaps that there is a single temp where this happens or a temp band where this happens. If its a single temp, then depending on the mass, and keeping temp constant, assuming we are on a rising heat, there will be a time where the solid and the liquid are in equilibrium. If there are differing temps for solidus and liquidus, then depending where you are in the temp zone, will determine the proportions of solid and liquid. If I were a in college and a metallurgist, this would be my hypothesis for an experiment. I also agree with Thomas. In this day and age, Traditional metallurgy got left behind. Thus you can "only forge weld low carbon steel". And thats why there isnt much modern info from the contemporary steel industry on forge welding. I also think that when I was dealing with Carpenter Tech(tool steel producer) as a traditional smith dealing with their product, they asked me questions about heat treating and forge welding as a blacksmith. We came away knowing that the basic principals of the past applied to both of us and that I could successfully deal with their product as a traditional smith. No, I sling, tap, or wire brush all that gradoo off my steel when i leave the fire. Generally there's none of that when I do the FW. I stated earlier that I could still see the swirling look at the anvil, but I will amend that and say I've most likely never looked at that stage of the game. I will say that with a drop the tongs weld, if you dont pay attention and touch the top piece to the bottom piece, they will stick together. So make sure you are where you want to be when they touch. Turn into slush is a poor term, even tho its what I used. When you have a reducing fire and are at a lemon yellow, And your fire color and steel color match, the bar looks and feels solid to the eye. This May be a state called liquidus and this May be a Mix of both solid and liquid. When you strike with a hammer, the liquids flow and bond. Maybe not. Other than scale and perhaps a bit of time I dont think material is wasted until you see sparks.
  20. Thank you for rating my work. Made several 3 tiered chandeliers. The second day was a hurricane wind. The lantern was out of luck.
  21. While TLWEC had a bit of smithing info in it my first dedicated to smithing book was "The Modern Blacksmith" published in 1974 and I think I found a copy remaindered in the late 1970's and it's still a favorite of mine even over "The Edge of the Anvil".
  22. Now it's a Friday; I was just contemplating the carving of a flower from a 2x4 with a knife... As a kid we spent a lot of vacations in Florida as my Father worked on the Apollo Project. I used to use my boy scout pocket knife and carve swords from palm frond center ribs. Of course Mel Fisher was finding the 1715 treasure fleet back then too. IIRC, the first documentation I remember about knifemaking was how to make a knife from an old file in the Last Whole Earth Catalog.
  23. I won’t be heating the place TP. My old forge based out of an attached garage was never heated and it was never a problem. I wear shorts 11 months of the year, which my missus thinks is weird in the damp, but I like being “outside”. Our weather is mild compared to yours I’m sure. In winter its rarely below freezing during the day and snow never lasts more than a day or two. I’m fortunate that I’m doing my blacksmithing for fun in retirement. If it’s cold I can either: a. Wear more clothing. or b. Work harder and swing the hammer harder Or c. Stay in the house and shrug. also I don't want to cover up all that beautiful oak with insulation etc. I do have a problem with condensation in the shop on some days when there’s a lot of moisture in the air. Things will go rusty quickly but wiping things down with an oily rag is a constant activity. Not a big deal in the forge, but my lathe is suffering a bit and that worries me a bit.
  24. I was speaking of a gladious. My phone and fingers had a disagreement in which the phone usually makes a fool of my sausage fingers. Though I am one for fairly flowery speech.
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