Reeltree Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 With the pending Tariff on steel and also aluminum do you think the tax will be passed on to the consumer as always, and do you think it may gravely effect you. Higher cost, higher prices, less work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Yes, yes, and yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 On NPR a fellow did the math and said that the increase of the cost of the Al of a commonly purchased item would be under 1 cent; so I expect the price will go up a dollar and be blamed on the tariff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Tariff is only for imports. not American made goods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reeltree Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Right , sometimes we send our raw materials oversees , have it milled and such then shipped back here, was just wondering if the tariff was say like a reentry tax, trying to get the milling to return to the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beslagsmed Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steve Sells said: Tariff is only for imports. not American made goods So what is the current % of U.S. produced / imported steel. I was looking but couldn't find current figures. Also might raise the price of scrap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave51B Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, Reeltree said: trying to get the milling to return to the US Will the EPA allow that to happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 The EPA is only as tough as the Administration that supports it's regulations. The current Administration has been rolling back "regulations" at a never-before-seen rate. ------------------------------------------------------------- Now here's the thing that's much harder to quantify. "Prices" expressed as numbers, are totally irrelevant. Whether something costs a dime, ... or a dollar, ... is meaningless, until you weigh-it-off against how much of your precious TIME and LABOR you must expend to acquire any particular item. If you're flipping burgers at minimum wage, a dollar-a-pound for new steel, is expensive. But, ... if bringing the high paying manufacturing jobs back to your town gets you a much better paying job, that same pound of steel actually cost's you less of your time and energy. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1forgeur Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I figure it's just like gasoline, if you use it, need it, want it yer going to pay the asking price. If you sell what you make pass along the increase to who buys it. And NO, you don't have to like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles R. Stevens Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 Instead of flat tariffs, tax those things that sent American companies overseas (I know this is getting close to politics) if American EPA standards make US manufacturing to expensive, then tax foren goods buy the amount of pollution created in it’s manufacture, not a terrif but a tax charged on all goods, foreign or domestic. This goes for other things, use slave or cheild labor, we have a tax for how inhuman the working environment is.... levels the playing feild for first world manufacturing, and encourages 2nd world countries to clean up there manufacturing. Not unlike the proposed carbon tax but expanded to other polutiants as well. If a country or manufacturer won’t allow us to inspect, then we tax there product at the highest assumed rate. As for us as smiths, material costs pale incomparesen to our labor, and we can generate less waste as we can make useful items from drops and leave less in the way of shavings and grinding dust on the floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman7 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Steve Sells said: Tariff is only for imports. not American made goods But the tariff will still put upward pressure on the price of American steel. Higher demand = higher price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, Reeltree said: Right , sometimes we send our raw materials oversees , have it milled and such then shipped back here, was just wondering if the tariff was say like a reentry tax, trying to get the milling to return to the US You may end up paying a tariff both ways because if you add a tariff to goods from here we can do the same to yours, like recently an aircraft maker in the UK had a 300% tariff on sales in the us imposed, such things can work both ways or even mean places dont buy your goods protectionism of one area can affect others that are unrelated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HammerMonkey Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 32 minutes ago, the iron dwarf said: You may end up paying a tariff both ways because if you add a tariff to goods from here we can do the same to yours, like recently an aircraft maker in the UK had a 300% tariff on sales in the us imposed, such things can work both ways or even mean places dont buy your goods protectionism of one area can affect others that are unrelated Truth! In 1920 and the early1930’s, Hover’s anti-free trade policies, the most protectionist tariffs in American history (so far), and the resulting trade war, had disastrous consequences. Not only in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukerec Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 If you stocked enough steel you the tariff wont affect you for however long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 so buy enough to last your lifetime, how about your children? personally I use about half a ton a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukerec Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 holy buckets thats a lot, i guess youll have to increase product prices in order to purchase the steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I am not in the US and I dont often sell to the US due to shipping costs as most of my items are heavy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerald Boggs Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 2 hours ago, the iron dwarf said: You may end up paying a tariff both ways because if you add a tariff to goods from here we can do the same to yours, like recently an aircraft maker in the UK had a 300% tariff on sales in the us imposed, such things can work both ways or even mean places dont buy your goods protectionism of one area can affect others that are unrelated True, but since we have shipped most of our production overseas, how much do we really have left to ship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 from here it looks like a lot of US stuff actually originates in asia or south america like snap-on and harleys and lots of other stuff, from the makers to you then a tariff when you send them here, also you need to export to be able to import and one of our problems here is outsourcing so we buy things made in other countries and then complain about no jobs making things here, people want cheaper and quality drops. then you get things you cant import to the US, I make armouring tools including ball stakes from ball bearings up to 4" diameter that I buy new but it is against the law to send them there due to some US helicopter maker buying bearings from china and a helicopter accident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc1 Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 To the original question ... 7 hours ago, Reeltree said: Right , sometimes we send our raw materials oversees , have it milled and such then shipped back here, was just wondering if the tariff was say like a reentry tax, trying to get the milling to return to the US All you need to do is choose a country that has a free trade agreement with the US ... if you did not scrap the lot that is. I buy lots of stuff from the US and pay no tarifs at all if I can prove it was manufactured in the US. Free trade and low wages ... you have to do your research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod34 Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 MOD NOTE: This thread started well enough, but has now veered too far into a political discussion, in violation of the TOS. It is now locked to further comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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