JRigoni Posted December 12, 2015 Share Posted December 12, 2015 Testing out some angle iron forms today before the rain hits. I'm still not sure how best to join these, whether with bands, welds or rivets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'd go with hidden rivets. Countersink the holes real well and upset the rivets down into the countersink and then dress the tops flat with the workpiece so they are invisible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSW Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I really like that form. I'll add that to my list to try. I've been looking for a nice simple trivet project to use to work on basics. This seems easy enough. Any suggestions on what you used as a form or stock size? Looks like 1/2" square tapered with an upset corner 90 deg to the taper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 How about another right angle bend, ending in a tenon riveted through the bend above the leg? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRigoni Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Dsw: yep, these were cut 1/2 square. I might try the hidden rivet approach on the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 What best contributes to your concept or view of the character of the piece? In my view the elegance and subtlety of the forms require an extremely light touch. If you had wanted to emphasise the swirl/vortex effect you could run a chamfer around the top ring edges, which would then create a shadow line vee between the elements. As made, the quiet understatement of the swirl would be best served by not disturbing the flow with visible fixings. A simple weld fillet underneath would be least obtrusive and strongest. A weld would have the advantage over riveting, by not disturbing the patina and surface finish you achieved direct from the hammer. You are the only one that knows what effect you were trying to create, let that be the guide. Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRigoni Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 Thanks Alan, Good hearing from you! I appreciate the insight. I tried using collars yesterday and it wasn't working visually. I think I will stick with a clean arc weld underneath so not to alter the sides. Are you headed to Ypres next year? I'm going to try and make it over for the 2016 conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daswulf Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 very cool look. I was going to say rivets, but I like Alans idea better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I have to agree, as invisible a join as possible to preserve the elements as they are looks best to me. Hidden rivets come in behind a clean dressed arc weld underneath and last but not least a copper or bronze braze. The arc weld will as Alan says preserve the current patina and texture well. A copper braze might show some bleed in the joint but that may be an attractive feature, I'd have to experiment and see to decide. I also don't know how a copper braze would patina with age. I think brass or silver solder would be too much contrast and draw attention from the piece. Very nice trivet, I like it a lot. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 On 13 December 2015 at 14:57:11, JRigoni said: Thanks Alan, Good hearing from you! I appreciate the insight. I tried using collars yesterday and it wasn't working visually. I think I will stick with a clean arc weld underneath so not to alter the sides. Are you headed to Ypres next year? I'm going to try and make it over for the 2016 conference. I intend to be there. I have offered my considerable forklift driving skills qualification to put up the forging stations... Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kubiack Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I’d like to see a little jointery myself. If you don’t want to change lines of the outside how about riveting the pieces with the head on the inside and then countersunk and filed flat on the outside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gote Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 This is really elegant. Great design. Somehow I feel that the eye wants to see what is joining the pieces. My eye that is. a subconscious fell that it may fall apart if I sneeze. I would go for brazing even at the cost of the finish. The design fits a between war's style so I think that the top could be made shiny with the copper line visible. I wish I could design such a beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesteryearforge Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I would think a rivet at each corner with a slightly oversized head to the outside and countersunk and filed flush on the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Errorgance Posted December 22, 2015 Share Posted December 22, 2015 Beauty through elegant simplicity! If it were me, I'd forge down and sharply bend the tip to make a rivet. I'd also leave the rivet head looking like a flat disc instead of a rounded top, to better match the overall design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRigoni Posted December 24, 2015 Author Share Posted December 24, 2015 Another try with this idea, shortening the legs and using a longer section of angle iron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daswulf Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 Looks great! did you end up welding the bottom or..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted December 24, 2015 Share Posted December 24, 2015 2 hours ago, JRigoni said: Another try with this idea, shortening the legs and using a longer section of angle iron. That doesn't look like angle iron. Beautiful job, BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRigoni Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 Arkie: it is though. Using slices of angle iron saves the step of forging a square corner. Forge a taper along one length and cut back one side and this is what I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 1 minute ago, JRigoni said: Arkie: it is though. Using slices of angle iron saves the step of forging a square corner. Forge a taper along one length and cut back one side and this is what I got. Clever! Must steal! (Or steel, as the case may be....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Wow, optical illusion....your very fi 2 hours ago, JRigoni said: Arkie: it is though. Using slices of angle iron saves the step of forging a square corner. Forge a taper along one length and cut back one side and this is what I got. Wow, optical illusion.....! Even in your very first picture, it looks like square bar. I guess the shadowing makes it look that way. I had thought you really had fun making the square corners from thick bar. It's still a very nice, simple and functional trivet. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Arkie, they are sections sliced off of large angle iron. You are looking at the cross section of the angle, it is not angle iron used lengthwise. The short leg was one side cut down to size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumbojak Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Ah! I thought it was angle bent at a, well an angle. Much simpler to just cut it down to size though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 3 hours ago, BIGGUNDOCTOR said: Arkie, they are sections sliced off of large angle iron. You are looking at the cross section of the angle, it is not angle iron used lengthwise. The short leg was one side cut down to size. Ahhhh....now I see it. Slices. Thanks. Had a hard time wrapping my feeble mind around the angle iron. Cool way to get the square corner!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingXS Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 They look really nice mate. I'm wondering how you got the curves so accurate and even. Could you show a photo of the forming process please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRigoni Posted December 27, 2015 Author Share Posted December 27, 2015 Thanks, FlyingXS: the curves were achieved with a simple, heavy wall pipe. Forge each taper to the same length and bend around the same pipe and it should get you close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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