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I have been playing with a WVO fueled Burner in a pile of bricks as a furnace. Had a bit of a disaster when I went to melt some aluminium and burned through the steel crucible in about 4 minutes.

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do not use metal for crucibles, molten metals dissolve other metals very fast even at well below the melting point of the crucible.

you need to buy a proper crucible or you will cause a very painful accident or even worse.

if you cant get the proper safety gear and equipment dont melt metals

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You are fortunate the failure did not cause a major accident. Always have a plan B in place so you can SAFELY control any failure. Full personal protective equipment is a must. Blue jeans and a t-shirt are not PPE.   

 

It would seem that you have a VERY LARGE burner and you have placed the thin wall steel container directly into the path of the flame.

 

You may want to consider placing the burner / blower assembly on a piece of plate steel etc that can be pulled back and removed from the stack of bricks. Just turning the flame off still leaves the assembly very close to the hot bricks.

 

Look for a proper crucible, place it so it does not have direct contact with the flame and turn the heat output of the burner down to match the project at hand. This may mean that you have to redesign and or rebuild the burner for a lower heat output. 

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You built a nice set up for cast iron or crucible steel though! Go on ebay and buy a graphite crucible. I have been thinking of doing this for a while but I don't have a waste oil supply. 

 

It's illegal for garages to give it to me or fastfood joints. I would have to have a disposal license and show I do so efficiently and cleanly. Annoying local environmental red tape that is put there for the kinds of idiots who would just dump it down a country road on a baby fox and an endangered flower. People who would use it as a resource (greener than shipping it off to germany to be dealt with!) and responsibly don't get the chance unless they want to play in the grey areas of the law...

 

I might some day just go ahead collect some and keep it all small scale. It would be defensible. Like technically I think forges are illegal if operated outside because they aren't for producing food but I do that. My rule of thumb has been just build a good fire (don't smoke out the neighbours) and don't make a racket past twilight in the evening.

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Cement popcorn! Well, there's worse ways to have a casting failure. Glad you're not hurt.

 

One thing I learned early in casting, is plan for failure. Always, always have a plan should things go horribly awry.  For crucible failures that should typically include elevating the furnace slightly and putting a drain in. (a central hole and a couple of grooves). It's also nice to have sand underneath or some other kind of barrier. Keep the ground clear of anything flammable/meltable near the furnace, and appropriate PPE as well. Imagine if that bottom had failed as you lifted it out. SPLASH!

 

I don't think it oxidized through...aside from the sense that fire is an oxidation process. You melted that cookie. Way too hot. Your idle speed would have melted the aluminum if you'd given it longer. Probably without melting your fire extinguisher. Pouring temp for aluminum is a nice, mid rang orange, Say 1400 degrees-ish.

 

Still reccomend a better crucible, but this one shoulda lasted you one or two melts. Make a small plinth to get your crucibles above the flame, so it's not directly on it. Even without steel melting temps, it'll cause oxidation which will contaminate the aluminum with scale flakes and also cause the crucible to fail, if not sooner, then at the worst possible time. Steel crucibles always eventually fail. Thin ones fail in a hurry, regardless of how hard it was to cut.

 

You may also want to consider making a refractory lid for your furnace. Cheap way to go would be a little hi-temp furnace cement cast around some rebar handles.

 

As far as smithing with this setup, not so much. Temperatures for the steel....mostly work in the orange range; it's complex, but there's a TON of stuff posted. Start with the pinned stuff in the blacksmithing forums. You're hot enough, sure. But WVO in a vertical setup is inconvenient, (hard to heat isolated parts of the steel for one) and way too much oxidation. I've forged using furnaces, but I much, much prefer something designed for it, and you can build a 55 forge or something similar in an hour or so.

 

All the dire warnings and advice aside, congratulations on achieving a crazy hot fire. Have fun, and be safe!

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It's illegal for garages to give it to me or fastfood joints. I would have to have a disposal license and show I do so efficiently and cleanly. Annoying local environmental red tape that is put there for the kinds of idiots who would just dump it down a country road on a baby fox and an endangered flower. People who would use it as a resource (greener than shipping it off to germany to be dealt with!) and responsibly don't get the chance unless they want to play in the grey areas of the law...

 

 

If that's what you believe, ...  then "more power to you".

 

Does a "pollutant" cease to exist, when it passes from your hands, into those of an "official" source ?

 

The idea that an "official disposal license" makes any difference in the impact on the flora and fauna, ... is exactly what Big Brother wants you to think.

 

When you've gained sufficent experience, you'll come to understand that money drives everything.

 

Politically Correct "green" practices, are just the latest avenue by which a "fad" can be exploited for profit.

 

 

Here, in America, Organized Crime dominates our Waste Disposal and Recycling Industry.

 

And they're not in that business for the Glamor or Prestige, ... they're in it for the money.

 

They own Politicians, ... who, in turn, use the power of the Government, to force all the "idiots" to pay the Mob, to dump our trash in huge, stinking landfills.

 

Is a big pile of garbage better than a lot of small piles ?

 

You decide.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That all seems a bit harsh.
The guy has no more control over the laws where he lives than you do. You posing questions and attitudes that are not for the individual to decide but the law makers in his area. 

Not only that, but the problem is not wether he's prepared to obey these laws or not, it's the fact other people are involved.
As business owners, they have their livelihoods on the line.  They would be idiots to put that at risk for no gain by giving the guy oil knowing they are not allowed to. You have no idea of the level of regulation that goes on either or how hard it is policed.

And to be totaly frank, from what I have seen Americans are the most conformist of all. I constantly get people from the US telling me, " Oh no, couldn't have a burner like that on my farm. Insurance wouldn't cover it and I'm not allowed to store oil and if a neighbour saw some smoke and...."  From what I have read, there are pretty much the same restrictions in the US.

I share your views in that I pretty much do what I want where I am regardless of wether it's allowed or not but you can't put XXXX on others for wanting to avoid potential problems. I can flout a lot of things and get away with it with the use of a bit of smarts and cunning because the only way I'll get done is if someone actually complains. And given the slack nature of the authourities of this sort of thing in my area, it amy well take more than one complaint.  I make sure that dosen't happen so I'm OK.  In other places though it could well be different and the ingrained mentality may well be that people are lead to believe the seriousness is a lot greater and the risk factor of getting caught is very high.

Neither of us know what the situation is much outside our own areas we are familiar with so not really anyone else decision to make other than the individuals it pertains to.

Don't get me started on the green, save the planet band wagon. I call that Y2K all over with 10 years R&D to make it the biggest scam the world has ever seen. You are dead right, everything about it is profit driven.  Here in OZ we are forced to use stupid CF lightbulbs to save Co2 and all that crap but there are a million things that the gubbermint and big business do that is pure and utter waste that generates so much c02 and emissions etc that the whole country of private citizens could't hope to offset in their lifetime that these hypocrits do in a week.

At some point in time, this scam fad will be looked back on and recognised for the total Crock it is.  Hard to imagine what they will be able to replace it with or match on a scale of grandeur but god help us when they do hatch something up.

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Yep, ... my views on over-regulation, and Political Correctness are, ... to say the least, ... "harsh".

 

I did not, ... and do not, encourage anyone to break the all-powerful LAW.

 

But I surely DO encourage them to QUESTION arbitrary restrictions on their freedom.

 

Those restrictions so often touted a "enviornmental" or "public safety" issues, are, in reality, nearly ALWAYS imposed, to fulfill a profit motive.

 

 

Here, in Southeastern Pennsylvania, ... it's often against the "Law" to burn your own trash, on your own property, ... but you are REQUIRED to pay Trash Collectors to haul it to the local Incenerator, ... so that it can be burned "legally".

 

This, of course, adds the Diesel exhaust of the Trash Trucks, ... on top of the Smoke from your burned trash, to the "Carbon Footprint".

 

 

It's NOT about the environment, ... it's solely about a corrupt, disingenuous means of making a profit.

 

 

EVERYONE should THINK about the ramifications of this ever increasing trend in how we are "Governed".

 

 

 

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We have had the no backyard burning thing here for more than a decade all through the metro area.  I discovered a loophole though.  Outdoor cooking is different.

All I have to do when I want to burn something is get out my little portable BBQ plate and frame and I have an old cast iron cooking pot I picked up for good measure.  A whiney Neighbour once complained when I was burning some leaves  even though there was no wind and the smoke was going straight up and she wouldn't have caught a wiff.
She called the council who sent the ranger round and wanted to see what was going on. I showed him I was just getting the fire ready by creating some coals before I put the meat on and had a Damper in the pot.  At first he looked at me like an idiot and told me he wouldn't eat anything cooked over that and I didn't have the first clue how to cook a Damper ( Australian Bushman's Bread). I looked and said oh really? You mean you cook it like .. and explained to him the way to do it and then added in a sarcastic tone, " I thought I'd do it this way and get rid of all the leaves and sticks from the council trees out the front at the same time" .  The guy looked then the penny dropped and he just said  Oh, I get it.  He said good job you are cooking on that because if you were just burning off I'd have to fine you. I said I know, I'd never do that, it's illeagal isn't it?

He laughed and smiled and left.

You could check up if you have a similar loophole in your area.
Sometimes thinking outside the box gets you a long way!

 

Gives me an idea though, I'll have to make a veg oil fired BBQ!

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Glumpy,

You are a genius. This is the way to handle them.

Burning leaves is actually a waste. Most garden soils (and other of course) lack organic content. If the leaves are allowed to rot down in a heap for a season or two they are an excellent fertilizer that will improve the structure of most soils. How to do it depends upon the local climate. temperature rainfall etc.

Twigs thicker than 10mm is another matter These I burn but I have no restrictions because my "estate" is classified as a farm.

Reading this forum I realize that I am very lucky. I have no neighbours who can hear my anvil nor see my smoke. Besides I allow the locals to have a little jetty on my lake side for their boats. The result is that everybody is very friendly.

Cheers

Göte.

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We have had the no backyard burning thing here for more than a decade all through the metro area.  I discovered a loophole though.  Outdoor cooking is different.

All I have to do when I want to burn something is get out my little portable BBQ plate and frame and I have an old cast iron cooking pot I picked up for good measure.  A whiney Neighbour once complained when I was burning some leaves  even though there was no wind and the smoke was going straight up and she wouldn't have caught a wiff.............

 

Gives me an idea though, I'll have to make a veg oil fired BBQ!

 

So you are proud of figuring out how to bypass important enviromental laws and encourage others to think outside the box in order for them to also get away with illegal behavior? We do not condone illegal behavior of any type here. 

Clean up your language, this is a family forum. 

Furthermore your assault upon Smoothbore's accurate observations is uncalled for and incorrect. 

Finally, please refrain from denigrating Americans, or anyone else on this forum. Read the rules, this is a family friendly site for sharing metalworking information. 

 

I am sure there are entire forums devoted to bashing Americans. Perhaps your comments would be welcomed there. 

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:D :D Artist, you seem overly touchy about re " denigrating Americans"  and your last quip well ??? Practice what you preach!

 

That said Glumly, yes this is a site for all ages etc. So don't promote flouting the law, we just need to watch the worlds leaders ( both political and religious) to learn the 'wrongful ' ways. You were previously very critical of Frosty when he tried to point out the dangers associated with oil burners( he was right). I use them regularly and think they are fantastic but one has to go cautiously as they get out of hand pronto like, as you noticed  :)  Please remember in this every kid gets a prize world people today don't understand 'stupid is as stupid does' so some 'clown' may sort-of just follow your video(particularly the first one) and try to just 'melt the brass valve off an "empty" 48kg propane tank or some such inane idea.

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I said I know, I'd never do that, it's illeagal isn't it?

 

 

So you are proud of figuring out how to bypass important enviromental laws and encourage others to think outside the box in order for them to also get away with illegal behavior? We do not condone illegal behavior of any type here. 

Clean up your language, this is a family forum. 

Furthermore your assault upon Smoothbore's accurate observations is uncalled for and incorrect. 

Finally, please refrain from denigrating Americans, or anyone else on this forum. Read the rules, this is a family friendly site for sharing metalworking information. 

 

I am sure there are entire forums devoted to bashing Americans. Perhaps your comments would be welcomed there. 

 

If you read what I said and climb down of your high horse you'll see that I said I would never do anything Illegal. What I proposed, as verified by the council ranger was totaly and completely legal otherwise I would have been fined.

I'm sorry, I would have never taken this for a family forum. I guess where I'm from you just don't see the family and the kiddies huddled round the computer after dinner reading up on knife making, forging and casting. I would have that would have been dangerous for the kiddies but there you go, wrong again.  :rolleyes:

 

 

You need to calm down, and take another look at the IFI terms of service before posting again. Language, including profanity and insults are not allowed.

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:D :DArtist, you seem overly touchy about re " denigrating Americans"  and your last quip well ??? Practice what you preach!

 

That said Glumly, yes this is a site for all ages etc. So don't promote flouting the law, we just need to watch the worlds leaders ( both political and religious) to learn the 'wrongful ' ways. You were previously very critical of Frosty when he tried to point out the dangers associated with oil burners( he was right). I use them regularly and think they are fantastic but one has to go cautiously as they get out of hand pronto like, as you noticed  :)  Please remember in this every kid gets a prize world people today don't understand 'stupid is as stupid does' so some 'clown' may sort-of just follow your video(particularly the first one) and try to just 'melt the brass valve off an "empty" 48kg propane tank or some such inane idea.

 

I'm only responsible for my kids, no one elses.  Frankly the notion of anything different I find totally absurd.
Have a look around the internet at all the things dumb kids could learn from.... Info on how to make bombs, rocket propellant, makeshift guns, makeshift ammo, extreme sports, dangerous and irresponsible driving, Alcohol abuse, how to grow drugs and so it goes. And the mainstream advertising that is targeted towards kids and the ideas they could get from that dosen't bear mentioning.

Eliminate all these other threats about 100,000 lines further up the list and we'll debate what ideas these "dumb kids" might get from my vids.  I think by then though there won't even be a vid left of Knitting  or gardening in case a kid gets a stupid idea and this site will be long gone as well.

I don't believe one can teach personal responsibility by removing it from those who need to learn it the most.

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Dear Arftist,

I have read and re-read Glumpy's posts and I am sorry but I could not find any obscene language or four letter words. If I compare with what we se on US TV-shows sent without any warning of parental supervision I do not get it. Please explain.

With the best and most humble regards.

Göte 

 

 

I have edited the foul language out, which would explain why you can not read it anymore.

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IForgeiron is about blacksmithing and metalworking. We PUSH safety at every opportunity. We have all demographics represented from over 150 world wide countries. I have seen a 6 year old responsible enough to work at a forge (parent nearby). It is not age that makes one careful, safe, or knowledgeable. It is the individual and those that have assisted him with knowledge, of what can happen, and how to fix or adjust where he is in the here and now to make it work safely. 

 

We discuss things from the point of view of our backyard. What may be legal in your backyard may or may not be legal in someone else's back yard in another part of the world.

 

 

It is time to realign the anvils to north, and get back to the original post. The fellow came with a question and we need to address that question so he can safely proceed with his blacksmithing interest. 

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You speak of safety and 6 YO's using forges in the same paragraph???
If the kid grabs something red hot, pounds his hand or trips and falls into the fire, what's the " Nearby" parent going to do?

Call the ambulance? 

When you denounce an adult not wearing PPE but advocate a 6 yo using a forge, it's apparent our ideas of safety, responsibility and duty of care vary substantially.
How old will this kid have to be before he is OK to use a chainsaw or is it just a matter of him being knowledgeable enough and knowing the thing can cut an appendage off with one slip??
 On the upside, he may save the taxpayers a fortune by driving himself and all the other kids to school on the bus by the time he's 10 if he is careful, safe and knowledgeable enough...... And being able to see over the dash and reach the pedals would no doubt be an advantage as well. 

I thought I gave my kids some responsibility early in life but I wouldn't care if they were wearing a bomb proof suit or all the PPE the most over the top safety zealot was satisfied with, all the knowledge and care in the world wouldn't save a 6 yo from life long injuries that can happen to anyone in a split second. If I hurt myself, it's no ones fault but mine. I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a 6 yo had an accident whilst using a forge.
People need to learn that watching their kids have an accident doesn't make it any less painful for the kid
If they think that making sure they're supposedly doing the right thing at all times while they watch from "nearby" will prevent an accident, they clearly haven't been around machinery enough.

Sorry, but to me that's just completely irresponsible and as someone that says they promote saftey, It's beyond my understanding and I'll bet pretty much any childrens or welfare organisation's how you can condone it.

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Glumpy,  Knock it off.   You are entitled to your opinions, but there are many children forging, and doing it more safely than a few adults I have seen on the U tube.  its a matter of following directions, and that is a result of up bringing.    Many have been brought up to be responsible and follow directions, taught what is and is not acceptable and they learn to perform many tasks.  There is no reason to panic when you hear of a child working in a forge with an adult.    Many children can learn, while others have been allowed to do as they please, never being corrected for fear of ruining their self esteem if told they can not to a thing, and those are the one hurt themselves and others.

 

 

Do you advocate keeping a child in the back yard, for fear that a motor car will run him over if he walks near the street?   It depends on the child and how he was trained to act.

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You speak of safety and 6 YO's using forges in the same paragraph???
If the kid grabs something red hot, pounds his hand or trips and falls into the fire, what's the " Nearby" parent going to do? Call the ambulance?


The child was told what to do, what not to do, and how to be safe at the forge. He was told how to protect others by stopping all work if someone got too close to him or hot metal. He was told to place everything hot on the table beside the forge and to put everything in water and then his bare hand to move it to the work table that others could get close to. All this was done before there was a fire in the forge. It is called safety and orientation. At any point he develops an attitude, his lessons are over and he is sent home. Again safety and the protection of anyone at any age.

 

 

When you denounce an adult not wearing PPE but advocate a 6 yo using a forge, it's apparent our ideas of safety, responsibility and duty of care vary substantially.

 

I do not advocate anyone, no matter what age, doing any task without first some sort of cautionary discussion and pointing out the dangers involved. Wearing PPE is safety, no matter who is involved, or what the task, or what their age.

 

 

How old will this kid have to be before he is OK to use a chainsaw or is it just a matter of him being knowledgeable enough and knowing the thing can cut an appendage off with one slip??

 

I would start anyone by bucking wood with a bow saw. Once they proved themselves, the next step would be a cross cut saw, then an axe, and only after they were accomplished with that tool, then introduce them to a chain saw. All this is to be done under supervision.

 

 

On the upside, he may save the taxpayers a fortune by driving himself and all the other kids to school on the bus by the time he's 10 if he is careful, safe and knowledgeable enough...... And being able to see over the dash and reach the pedals would no doubt be an advantage as well.

 

There are children raised on a farm that know how to feed and care for livestock, do farm chores, and do a full days work that would challenge many men that live in the city. As they grow older they progress into more and more responsibility. By the time they are teens many are told how to operate a quarter million dollar combine, and given the keys. The military trains and trusts teenagers to use some of the most dangerous weapons in the world, after they have proved they are up to the job. Age is not the factor, it is the individual and the responsibility that individual can handle.

 

 

I thought I gave my kids some responsibility early in life but I wouldn't care if they were wearing all the PPE the most over the top safety zealot was satisfied with, all the knowledge and care in the world wouldn't save a 6 yo from life long injuries that can happen to anyone in a split second.

 

NOR will it protect anyone else, of any age. 

 

 


 If I hurt myself, it's no ones fault but mine.

 

It means YOU DID NOT take proper safety precautions, and/or wear PPE to protect yourself. There is NO reason to get hurt. That said, accidents will happen, usually caused by YOU overlooking something, or working alone, and two or more people not seeing the potential for something going wrong. Catastrophic failure of equipment is not being a part of this discussion. 

 

 I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a 6 yo had an accident whilst using a forge.

 

A 6 year old WILL NOT be allowed near a forge unless he has proven himself to me. This means that he has proven he is responsible enough to do things safely. I WILL NOT ALLOW any kid, or anyone else, to get into harms way.  I will shut down the entire building, and lock the doors first. 

 

People need to learn that watching their kids have an accident doesn't make it any less painful for the kid
If they think that making sure they're supposedly doing the right thing at all times while they watch from "nearby" will prevent an accident, they clearly haven't been around machinery enough.

 

ANY PARENT that watches their child, or anyone else no matter what age, have an accident is being irresponsible in my opinion. When they see the potential for harm it is their responsibility to step up and step into the equation and stop it. "Nearby" to me means standing less than arms reach away, at all times, with the intention to block, and prevent, ANY injury that may occur.

 

 

Sorry, but to me that's just completely irresponsible and as someone that says they promote safety, It's beyond my understanding and I'll bet pretty much any children's or welfare organization's how you can condone it.

 

When I work with people, no matter what age, I micromanage each detail of the process. I tell them how, and they then tell me what they heard. I show them how and they tell me what they saw. I show them again and only now are they allowed to proceed with the operation, one step at a time. We discuss what happened and why. They are allowed to do the operation, slowly, start to finish, under extreme close supervision. We discuss what happened and why. They are allowed to do the operation on their own under extreme close supervision. At any time, for any reason, they process can and will be stopped.  Only then do I take a step back and allow them full control of the process. That is one step back and still within arms reach.  As they prove themselves and their understanding of the operation, only then are they given more responsibility. This is AT ANY AGE.

 

I feel we are on the same page. Age is not a factor. If they can understand the instruction, understand what to do if..., and handle the responsibility, then why not encourage them? 

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It is time to realign the anvils to north, and get back to the original post. The fellow came with a question and we need to address that question so he can safely proceed with his blacksmithing interest.

 

Yes, ... it's obvious that "cultures" vary, ... and Europeans that have NEVER lived in a truly free society, have trouble grasping the American mindset.

 

They've been drinking Big Brother's KoolAid for generations, ... and therefore, don't mourn the loss of Freedoms that they've never experienced.

 

Since Personal Freedom must be accompanied by Personal Responsibility, ...  it's completely understandable that those who've never experienced one, should have a different opinion of the other.

 

But, as suggested above, ... while it's useful to consider those cultural variables, ... that's not why we're here.

 

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So, ... with that in mind, ... a few thoughts on the Oil Burner / Crucible issue.

 

Obviously, the Furnace design could be radically improved, at very little cost.

 

Moving the Crucible up, out of the direct blast, would help.

 

An extension made from a section of Chimney Flue Liner Tile, ... or Fire Brick, ...  would be one suggestion.

 

While Graphite is the preferred material for a Crucible for smelting Iron, ... Cast Iron "pots" are routinely used for non-ferrous metals.

 

Additionally, Steel components that come in prolonged contact with molten non-ferrous metals, are routinely coated, ..., ... and re-coated with various "Refractory" coatings.

 

Ladles, "Dross Scrapers", "Dipper Tubes" ( used to protect thermal probes ) should be heated and dipped in a slurry of a Refractory Coating material, on a regular basis.

 

 

I wouldn't hesitate to try a heavier steel vessel, ... or one of cast iron, ... with several coats of Refractory Coating, ... placed just above the direct blast.

 

 

 

 

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Gee an old friend was driving a hay baler  in the field when He was 8-9 years old. At 10 years old He graduated to driving a fully loaded hay wagon on a public road.

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Hey guys engaging the Glumpster is exactly what he wants, maybe nobody who knows him will talk to him. Let's not reward bad behavior, I made that mistake once to nobody's benefit. As he stated loudly in his first posts he believes safety precautions are for wimps and as you can see in his videos he lives that philosophy. There's nothing we can do or say to prevent him from spreading his kind of recklessness on the web. I'd bet money he actually believes bad behavior on someone else's part justifies bad behavior on his part. It's also evident from his most recent posts he did NOT get parental guidance suitable to safely working in an industrial environment.

 

Talking reason to the glump is like singing to a mule. Though from personal experience mules, horses, donkeys, cattle, sheep, goats, etc, all react well to soft singing shushing and other calming vocalizations. Definitely higher level behavior.

 

This is FAR  more response than I intended to show him and his behavior but I'm seeing some really good guys getting sucked into the sewage. I have no response to anyone who thinks he's a genius. <sigh>

 

Like I said, this is FAR more than I ever intended to say to or about him after my first experience. I'm just going to let the troll stew and lets get back to something profitable to discuss.

 

Frosty The Lucky.

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Glen, I agree you put it very well.

 

Smooth bore, You are quite right: those Europeans that have NEVER lived in a truly free society might not understand the American mind set. (Who are they by the way)  But the rest of us Europeans see more red tape in the US than at home and in my area organized crime has nothing to do with waste disposal. You have obviously never been to Europe. Bashing Europeans is no better than bashing Americans.

 

It depends upon what kind of metal you are melting. I have seen various implements of uncoated iron/steel use for metals that melt at lower temperatures like lead tin and brass. If there is no flux available the oxide seems to prevent the fusion of the steel and the metal.

 

Cheers

Göte

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"As he stated loudly in his first posts he believes safety precautions are for wimps"

 

Did he? I thought that he told about a mistake he did and asked for advice. My English must be rusty.

Cheers

Göte

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Align your anvil to North, which is  <,  >,  or ^ . 

 

DO NOT let this thread go south.  

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