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Blacksmithing do's and don'ts; Got any?

DON'T mill the face of an anvil.

DO where safety glasses when forging, grinding, etc..

DON'T use a semi brake drum to make a forge.

Come on now, lets see what yall got.

                                                                                                                                     Littleblacksmith

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All steel near a forge is considered hot until proven otherwise.

Don't give a new to smithing student a sledge hammer to strike with---unless you are using a scrap anvil!

Don't turn your back on a student with hot steel in their hands.

Do Hydrate in the summer.

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5 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said:

Do Hydrate in the summer.

excellent one! well they all were, but that one spoke to me.

Don't make a sword the first time you forge, or the second, or the third,...

Railroad spikes don't make good steel for knives.

do remove the hot cut hardy once done cutting.

                                                                                                                   Littleblacksmith

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Don't.......... wear gloves and enjoy the freedom of handling hot iron. Cuz when you go to pick up that hot object just like you normally do  it be too late to come to realization that you hadn't slipped on your bulky leather glove(s)

 

Do......... get the word out that a blacksmith shop is not a steel mill with blast furnace, billowing black coal smoke and heavy machinery pounding away casting a shadow against the walls from 40 foot tall flames in the furnace.

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OK I am going to stick out my chin.

Most of whatever we do and not do depends upon the circumstances. I work on mild steel, alone on a double horn anvil.

I wear eye (and ear) protection when grinding but not when forging. I cannot remember seeing anyone I have been forging with, including my masters. who has been doing that. I have never seen any kind of steel splinters or sparks coming up from forging. (but I do dress all chisels and such tools so they are nice and smoth.) The only "spray" I have seen, comes when fire welding and that comes horizontally in anvil height where my leather apron catches it.

I would not mill or grind an anvil with only a steel plate at the top. However, I own a solid steel anvil and when I got her I had her milled about 3/16" to remove sway and dents. The result (including rebound) is excellent. I do not use a flatter (and I have never seen one used in real life) I use the anvil face. I straighten whatever I want to straighten on it and it becomes straight. If the face were dished I could not do that.

I do not draw out on my horn because the radius is too large at the base and where the radius is small there is no mass below. The pein is considerably better but less heat is lost when using the anvil edge.

What I do is that I "strike when the steel is hot." The stock goes back in the fire before it becomes blackish. I believe that is a rather universal "DO".

A Do Not is: Do not work when tired. A missed hit is a sign of tiredness - take a break. More than two missed hits - call it a day.

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13 hours ago, Frosty said:

Do use a hammer on anyone who uses an anvil as a table for torch work and don't feel bad if you can't remember the number to call 911.

I dialed nine (9) but there is no eleven number (11) on my phone.

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Do Not carry the hammer.  If you attempt to put the hammer in the tool belt turn the forge blower off and stop for the day. Did the later this weekend...missed the hammer loop (it and my belt in the wood shop) and hit my heal.  First thing I learned framing was the hammer is in your hand or on your belt.  It's hard to leave it on the anvil.

 

 

 

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8 hours ago, gote said:

I wear eye (and ear) protection when grinding but not when forging. I cannot remember seeing anyone I have been forging with, including my masters. who has been doing that. I have never seen any kind of steel splinters or sparks coming up from forging. (but I do dress all chisels and such tools so they are nice and smoth.) The only "spray" I have seen, comes when fire welding and that comes horizontally in anvil height where my leather apron catches it.

 

Just about a month ago I had a little tiny piece of scale fly up and burn me in the nose.  Before that I was lax on wearing eye protection while forging, half and half.   Not anymore.  I've been burnt in the eye before by hot metal, it's not pleasant and I am in no hurry to have it happen again.

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 I had a piece of rice coal pop in the fire yesterday and send hot shards everywhere. By the worst bit of luck, it was one of the few moments of the afternoon when I had my safety goggles pushed up, and it caught me right on the lower eyelid. Not fun.

 If it were just me, I would probably be somewhat more lackadaisical about PPE, but I'm trying to be a good example for my son. 

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That happens a lot in my coke forge; pieces of coke go flying and popping.

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Don't do serious work without money up front. Don't let your messy personal life stop you from forging. Do enjoy yourself. Do be safe. Do do the voodoo that you do so well. Don't engage with morons, you won't convince them, and you'll vex the moron. Also, thou shalt not throw the hammer, remember what happened the last time. 

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Gote, I often use the edge of the anvil because it's easier to keep the stock straight, and forging on the horn is much louder. I'm actually planning to make a better stand that clamps the anvil down to stop the ringing.  I've wanted to try out a double horn Refflinghaus for some time now, partly because the top of the horn is on the same plane as the face, and it's conic instead of swelled like my farrier-type anvil.  It sure seems like having a straight conic section would make it easier to keep things straight while drawing out stock.

 

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I haven't had scale or sparks fly up but I have had a piece of stock slip out of the tongs and bounce up and tag me on the cheek below the eye---it was the hot end too and did not leave a burn but a *cut* neatly cauterized.  Of course I get my regular prescription done as safety glasses so I an never without them save in bed or in the shower---I tend to swim wearing them...

I do draw out on my large fat anvil horn---515# Fisher as I like the "soft" curve rather than a more abrupt one.  Take a sledge with the face forged/ground to match and you get a lovely effect with no chance of cold shuts. 

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Do make your own tongs and tools

Don't despair when hard, long work goes into a failure

Do push the limits every day in the shop

Do push the outside world out of your shop with every hammer blow

Do be proud of what you make with your hard work and two hands

Don't be limited by conventional "wisdom" 

On 8/1/2016 at 9:55 AM, rockstar.esq said:

Don't name your business "Forge" unless you're a counterfeiter or a maker of blacksmith forges.

Draw out stock with either the edge or the horn of your anvil.

Flatter peins leave less texture to clean up

 

Def: forge

noun

 
  1. 1.
    a blacksmith's workshop; a smithy.
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27 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said:

I haven't had scale or sparks fly up but I have had a piece of stock slip out of the tongs and bounce up and tag me on the cheek below the eye---it was the hot end too and did not leave a burn but a *cut* neatly cauterized.  Of course I get my regular prescription done as safety glasses so I an never without them save in bed or in the shower---I tend to swim wearing them...

I do draw out on my large fat anvil horn---515# Fisher as I like the "soft" curve rather than a more abrupt one.  Take a sledge with the face forged/ground to match and you get a lovely effect with no chance of cold shuts. 

Yeah, ive had a railroad spike fly out of the tongs and hit me in the face, leave a 4 inch burn on my cheak, and chip a tooth.

                                                                                            Littleblacksmith 

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36 minutes ago, littleblacksmith said:

Yeah, ive had a railroad spike fly out of the tongs and hit me in the face, leave a 4 inch burn on my cheak, and chip a tooth.

                                                                                            Littleblacksmith 

Proper fitting of tongs to the work piece is important. Even then sometimes the workpiece gets away. 

 

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Clean Forge Fires

The cleaner the fire the better the results for forging advanced steel alloys, and forge welding.

Colored news print should be avoided when starting to light the charcoal, coke or coal, fire in the forge. The colored ink usually has heavy metals in their composition. Metals such as barium, and copper. Other metals can also be used such as zinc, chromium, molybdenum, cadmium, aluminum, and others.

If newspaper must be used, for such a purpose, stick with plain newsprint or black ink printed paper only.

Wood shavings are a better bet.

But never use particle board, o s b., plywood scraps, or pressure treated wood. The glue, in them, is toxic. (such as urea formaldehyde, etc.) Not something that we want to breathe.

Wood shavings can be had, by the bagful. at any woodworking shop. They have to get rid of the stuff. You could probably get even more if you sweep up the shop floor, and probably acquire a friend for life.

SLAG.

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2 hours ago, Steve Sells said:

Why not?  Fenris Forge has served me well for many years

Playing around with google translate...Fen is Hone in Hungarian and ris is a loose (poetic according to the dictionary) form of rise in english so...honing/raising your craft?

Yea, I know...but now you have a plausible answer when someone asks you what the "Fenris" part has to do with forging :)

 

As to do's and dont's:

Don't suck the fun out of it by the temptations of someone waving money at you to do a project you wish you had never taken on.

Don't think you'll remember that really great idea you had..write it down (or take that photo when you see something that catches your fancy)

Don't convince yourself mystery scrap saves you money on critical projects

Do something else when the day/project seems to be cursed instead of beating your head against the wall

Do take the time to recognize your own successes (a darned hard one for me...I nit-pick the flaws)

Do experiment

Do make sure that your wife gets something really special once in a while from your forge to help justify the time you spent not mowing the lawn.

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38 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said:

Fame-wolf Forge is not good enough for you Kozzy?   Then take a look at the images for Fenris when you google it and try to imagine Steve as "an elven warrior"....  Ah Steve you're not going to be at Quad-State this year are you?...

I plan to.  I am sure I will see ya there,  maybe ya can take a crow bar to your wallet and buy a copy of my book to.

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I think the effect is marginal but most paper is usually filled with minerals that add to the ashes. My dressmaking aunt would never use her tailor's scissors on paper. One advantage with my forced draft "chimney" is that there is good suction also when I start the fire and the smoke from the kindling does not get out to where my nose is. Since I do some wood working I always use shavings as starter.

If I had sparks or pits and pieces flying around I would wear safety glasses but I never have. However, I always try to keep my fire covered to conserve heat and I never hit material that is not hot enough to be softened. I use long stock instead of tongs as much as I can.

When drawing out I hit over the edge of the anvil or I use the pein but before the stock becomes too cold I flatten/straighten on the face so the stock is flat and straight when it goes back into the fire. This means that the stock is squeezed in the right direction twice. Is this not common practice?

 

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