Frosty Posted October 13, 2019 Share Posted October 13, 2019 I know Tim, I'm long past feeling defensive about making mistakes and deeply appreciate when someone points them. Especially when a mistake can make life so much more difficult than necessary for folks just breaking into the craft. You done good Bro. Thanks! Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Rotblatt Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 1:10 PM, Frosty said: I got that completely backwards! Please everybody disregard my last post, it's as wrong as can be. Shows you how observant I was I knew what you meant and just went with it. I guess I just listened to what you meant, not what you said - I often screw up verbally (thank god for word processors). DanR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Amen!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeymike Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Are there updated plans for Mikey’s burners or Frosty’s T burners? I noticed this thread has gone on for three years and unclear if there is an “official” update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 There are updated versions of both kinds of burners. My changes are distributed all over this thread; sorry for the inconvenience. Frosty has just given a concise update to his burners, all in one place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatLiner Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Mike it seems like you have reduced the number of openings in your 3/4" burner from 4 to 3, what are your thoughts on 2 openings opposite each other? Would it be an improvement or is 3 the magic number for a 3/4" burner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 I reduced the number of openings to increase swirl as the air comes into the burner, with the side benefit that the total amount of rib widths will increase for the same amount of of opening. Unfortunately, two openings will reduce swirl; not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlatLiner Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Good to know Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbradshaw Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 Mike are you saying that the openings are the same width as the original plan, just with 3 instead of 4? Or does the size of the opening change too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 Three is the magic number To answer your question, Jbradshaw: Only if you want to "play it safe." I originally went for larger air openings then I needed, to play it safe. Since then, the group has discovered that more spin is better than unused extra opening space, BUT, if you under estimate how much opening is needed, you will end up needing to do some extra work to enlarge them. To get back to your question, yes, you can end up with wider rib widths--without sacrificing any of the total air opening space by reducing down from four ribs to three; a win-win situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeymike Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Is there a list of build threads/instructions, either official or not that are “approved” and reflect the latest recommendations from Mikey and Frosty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 To repeat, my burner changes are scattered throughout this thread; sorry about that. But the biggest single change is mentioned right above your question. Beyond this, you would meed to look into the 3D printed burner thread, if you want to go beyond my burners... As to Frosty; he has just gone through the trouble to update his burner plans, on the thread deducted to it. just look on his thread and there it is I'm sorry, but there is no magic wand that is going to provide another book for you, and I don't think I have what it takes to write another one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 10 minutes ago, Mikey98118 said: I don't think I have what it takes to write another one. You have done good Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskeymike Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Mikey98118 said: To repeat, my burner changes are scattered throughout this thread; sorry about that. But the biggest single change is mentioned right above your question. Beyond this, you would meed to look into the 3D printed burner thread, if you want to go beyond my burners... As to Frosty; he has just gone through the trouble to update his burner plans, on the thread deducted to it. just look on his thread and there it is I'm sorry, but there is no magic wand that is going to provide another book for you, and I don't think I have what it takes to write another one. Sorry, it’s about 1000 posts over 3.5 years. I find a lot of it confusing and contradictory. There seems to be multiple build posts by others, so I thought some of them might be approved as good builds with the latest info. I’m a diy guy, but don’t need all the nuances. I’ll get back to reading the builds. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 So, ask me questions; that is the direct path Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 A lot of good things have been reported about ribbon burners over the last couple of years, but I would like to hear more about ribbon burners running box forges.It would seem that they would shine there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 What burner would I recommend in a box forge: Mikey or "T"? I would recommend the "T" burner over mine "any day of the week, and twice on Sunday." Why? Frost's burner has a softer flame, which will mute the tendency of box forges to have hot and cold pots. A hard flame will accentuates the tenancy for hot and cold spots. Logically, the multi-flame nozzles of ribbon burners should do even better at evenly heating a cubic internal area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 9, 2019 Author Share Posted November 9, 2019 Low cost 3/4" commercial burner I get asked about decent burners at decent prices frequently, and have been intending to mention this one: link removed by request of the owner. The page has some interesting information for people who want to build, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 NARB 1 and NARB 2 live in a rectangular forge and play well together. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 3 hours ago, Mikey98118 said: link removed by request of the owner. Ups! My bad It's the Black Beauty P75 Forge Burner, which can be Googled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Rotblatt Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 20 hours ago, Mikey98118 said: I would like to hear more about ribbon burners running box forges.It would seem that they would shine there. I agree! My .125" NARB lives up top of my little round forge. I decided to reduce the interior size, so I added wool on the sides making a kind of Isosceles Trapezoid (not a box, but easy to do with IFB). Not much need for swirl like with the tube burners. The burner could be a little further up (it's about 5" high), because when I have a high billet in there, or HTing a knife perpendicular to the floor the top looks like it's in a bit more oxidizing atmosphere. Upshot is that I agree this burner works really well in a box forge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 I think you have put your finger on it. Ribbon burners don't make, or need, much swirl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
671jungle Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Apologies if I missed this info. I am particularly interested in the .025 migs being used in the 3/4”. Have there been any updates? I couldn’t find the page, but I snapped it on my phone awhile back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted November 28, 2019 Author Share Posted November 28, 2019 First, sorry for the slow reply; I've just managed to get back on line. Here's an update on the subject .025" MIG contact tips .025" tips. are supposed to have .034" diameter orifices; some do and some are actually .023" tips (.031" orifices), that have been listed as .025" on the convenient assumption that, in wire feed welders, they are interchangeable; which is total BS, even if you were using them for welding! When re-purposed as part of a 3/4" high speed burner, the differences is infuriating. So, bottom lining, you need to look closely in the sales literature before purchase, if you want to have the optimum orifice diameter gas jet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another FrankenBurner Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I am a fan of the 3D printer nozzles as orifices, over the mig tips. They are listed in exact size, they are brass, they are inexpensive and they have a shorter channel length which outputs a higher velocity stream per fuel pressure. I am curious what a 3/4 Mikey would do with a 0.8 to 1 mm printer nozzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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