JHCC Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 (edited) [MOD NOTE: The following thread started out on the "It followed me home" thread, but is moved here to accommodate the discussion of testing and calibrating that started a few comments in.] Another mail call! Invested some of the money from my last commission in an infrared thermometer (goes up to 2,732°F/1,500°C) to take the guesswork out of heat treating. Edited June 9, 2022 by Mod34 Moved to proper section Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donal Harris Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 What model is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 5, 2022 Author Share Posted June 5, 2022 It’s an “ANNMETER AN-1500” from Amazon, but there are a whole bunch of different brands that are basically the same. This one was a decent price for the temperature range I wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.J.Lampert Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 check it I have heard of that some of those models are not actually what the numbers say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lary Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Have one from Hobo freight, probably same model with a different decal. I compared the temp read out with a name brand (think it was a Fluke) where I work. Surprised me when the temps read within a degree of each other, problem is they don't read high enough for a forge temperature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWISTEDWILLOW Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 That’s interesting thanks for the heads up, I know I tried using mine on the wood stove and pipe and it went on the Fritz so I didn’t believe it’s reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 1 hour ago, lary said: problem is they don't read high enough for a forge temperature. Mine is supposed to read up to 2,732°F/1,500°C, but I doubt I'll need to get quite that high! I'm thinking about how I can test mine by measuring different substances at known high heats. Obviously, water boils at 212°F/100°C. I think the following melting points might also be helpful: Boric acid (H₃BO₃): 339.6°F/170.9°C (the main ingredient of Roach Prufe, although minute quantities of the other ingredients might throw things off a bit) Lead (Pb): 621.5°F/327.5°C Table salt (NaCl): 1,474°F/801°C Borax (Na₂B₄O₇): 1770ºF/966ºC Copper (Cu): 1,984°F/1,085°C (assuming I can get this high in my gas forge; I think I can, but I've never tried) Any other suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeJustice Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Here is an old publication that I found: https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/MONO/nbsmonograph41.pdf We have an optical pyrometer here, I do not calibrate it. I do know that they are supposed to set it to the emissivity of that which is being measured, for optimal accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Aluminum would be easy, if you have a known alloy laying around the shop. How about a Carolina Reaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 Here are some other metals I might try: Aluminum (Al): 1220°F/660°C Sterling silver (Ag + Cu): 1634°F/890°C (I've got some old jewelry from my mother-in-law's estate that no-one wants) Cast iron (Fe + C + other stuff): 2200°F/1204°C I could probably get some zinc (Zn; 787°F/420°C) easily enough, but I don't want to be breathing any zinc oxide fumes, thankyouverymuch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 A laser is about as close as I want to get to a Carolina Reaper. I just looked them up. Holy MOLY! Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 The breeder who developed the Carolina Reaper has developed a pepper (called "Pepper X", 3.18 million Scoville Heat Units) that he claims is twice as hot as the Reaper (1.5 million SHU). Another breeder in Wales has developed a pepper with 2.48 million SHU whose name would be quite appropriate for blacksmiths: the Dragon's Breath! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 One way of checking would be to use a Markal Thermomelt Temperature Indicator Heat Stick. If I recall right, they will go to 2150° F. Kinda expensive but when I had one (lower temp) it worked well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 Hmm. I think I've got a bunch of those that came in a box of assorted stuff from the industrial surplus place. I will check. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBones Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 Test it on your arm, leg, forehead, or where ever then take you temp and see is it matches. Also on ice. That will give an idea of accuracy of low temps. I have not used one in years but i know they used to have curve on accuracy. That had a sweet spot where they were quite dependable but the further above or below that temp would be off. Bell curve i guess. Also distance from what you are checking is important. Another thing is color of what you are checking. Shiny metal can reflect IR heat back into the thermometer and give a false reading. I too will pass on those peppers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 One nice thing about this model is that it has two lasers that converge on a point about 30" out from their lenses*, so that it's easy to get the same distance every time. *I'll check later when I get home from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 I keep telling folks: "Pain is NOT a flavor!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 It can be used for flavor, if you know how to. I am going to post my habenero trinidad salsa/sauce recipe in vulcans grill. Mix it with mayonayse or miracle whip for a great sandwhich spread experience. All things in moderation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 I'm sure the moderators would agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 Sour cream will tame down the hot, without killing the flavor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 46 minutes ago, JHCC said: I'm sure the moderators would agree. What a relief. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 Did a little preliminary testing yesterday, heating up a piece of plate with the torch and comparing the thermometer with a 600°F Tempilstik, table salt* (1,474°F), and borax (1,770°F). The results were a bit inconsistent: I was just heating one spot, and the steel was cooling down a bit as I juggled the torch and the thermometer. Nonetheless, all three measurements were pretty close, and I’m looking forward to doing some more controlled tests later. * Technically kosher salt, which may actually be a bit better, as it doesn’t have the iodine (sodium iodide or potassium iodide) or anti-caking agents found in table salt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 11, 2022 Share Posted June 11, 2022 Maybe a good comparison to check sensitivity? Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted June 11, 2022 Author Share Posted June 11, 2022 Sorry, comparing what to what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted June 12, 2022 Share Posted June 12, 2022 Kosher to table - salt. Maybe there IS a difference in melting temps and maybe your instrument is sensitive enough to read it. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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