Frosty Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 On 4/7/2021 at 7:02 AM, Nathan Kraft said: Oh ok. Sorry I just genuinely didn’t know. I Don't apologize Nathan it was a good question. Nobody took you wrong. I got reminded of the term I couldn't remember when I replied, "grain run out." I knew the term, knew it was there but darned thing was hiding in one of those creapy looking wrinkles in my brain and I couldn't coax it out. Next time it comes up I probably won't remember it but I know I'll remember I was reminded. A boy's gotta find as much fun with their TBI as he can or I'd go nuts. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad J. Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Went and filled my propane tank yesterday and had money follow me home when the attendant bought a steak flipper from me, totally didn't expect that. A coworker gave me a piece of hex shaft. This should be good for me to learn with. It's a 5 foot long piece I'm going to test it to see how it heat treats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Chad J. said: . A coworker gave me a piece of hex shaft. This is by no means definitive but all the hex shaped stock I've encountered, which isn't a lot, has been tool steel of one sort or another. Definitely give it a spark test but I wouldn't be surprised if it sparks like a medium carbon. I'd also suggest hardening a few test coupons in progressively faster quenching mediums and with proper PPE testing with a file then doing a break test to see how fast it needs to be quenched. Good luck. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBones Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 We are running a job at work of hex material, 3/4". It is 12L14. Really bites looking at piles and piles of scrap steel that is anywhere from 1/16" diameter to 1", 6"-8" long and not a bit usable, all free machine steel. Occasionaly we will get 1018 or 1030 maybe a bit of 303 stainless but almost all of it is 12L14. After a quick search on the internet machine there has already been a discussion of PTO shafts and group agreement comes out as 1040-ish. If the piece is something similar in use to a PTO i would assume that it is something similar in material. I have run into hex lug wrenches also, which has also been discussed and they are 1080 or L-6 typically. Also crow bars are usually hex and i want to say they are also 1080-ish. As a side note we are running a job in the CNC department out of a material called Kovar. $20 +/- a pound, a single bar is $400. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyanchor Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) On 4/8/2021 at 8:18 PM, Duncan M said: I thought that it was a great price too. I was wondering if I would be able to make a table for it, and it's nice to know that you did it. do you have any advice on how to make the table? Duncan, From what I read on a different form, the blade guides changed a few times over the A7s run, mine has large steel guides, that were very easy to adapt a table to. I will get a pic of what I came up with. It is no work of art but it works for how I use the saw. Edited April 10, 2021 by rustyanchor Added pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Scrapyard Saturday: 3' of 3/4" real wrought iron rod, couple smaller pieces that look wrought too. 3 portaband blades---to go with the smaller drain snake I got there previously for pattern welding. (Did the heat-quench-break and nice shatter and grain!) Thinking of some turkish twist and starting with smaller bars to not have to draw them out so much before twisting. Some nuts and bolts A wooden sucker rod end---they make great langets for a pike or halberd. #5 cast iron frying pan. 24 pounds total out, 20 UScents a pound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 BillyBones, why do you say 12L14 is not usable? Because of the little bit of lead it has in it? Plenty of items can be forged from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 I agree that 12L14 can be forged. I do it all the time. A machine shop I use gave me about 200 feet of it in 3/8 round that had rusted and they didn't want to spend the time to clean it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Just picked up this little guy around 70-80 pounds 3-inch face by 11-1/2 inches. May be an early Hay Budden or trenton as it has an oval in the bottom. only markings I have found are on the foot so far. There is a "70", an inverted "V" and "1818". If it is a Hay Budden and the serial number is 1818, that's first year of production. Not sure what year if a trenton. Anyone care to opine as to the manufacturer of this little guy? Rebound is not bad at around 85-90% on the face. Thanks in advance for any opinions as to manufacturer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 With the power hammer marks under the heel, I'm thinking maybe an Arm & Hammer. No matter who made it it's an outstanding find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Thanks. I had forgotten that A&H anvils had those marks from the forging hammer under the heel. If it is, and the serial number is 1818, that would probably put it in first year of production 1900? Also, could the marks in the middle of the foot be “AH” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Hay Buddens never had the caplet oval indentation. Whereas some Trentons had the hourglass indentation. Trenton or Arm & Hammer! Either one an excellent anvil! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Very pretty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBones Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 15 hours ago, BIGGUNDOCTOR said: BillyBones, why do you say 12L14 is not usable? 13 hours ago, Irondragon ForgeClay Works said: I agree that 12L14 can be forged. I was under the assumption that it being free machine steel it could not be used. The only time i tried was with a piece of small hex stock and it just crumbled under the hammer. But just becuase my print said 12L14 does not mean that is what we got. Would not be the first time we received the wrong material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyanchor Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Farmall, My guess by the weight and S/N on the front foot and caplet on the base is an early 70 pound Trenton. AH if I remember correctly had either weight or S/N on the side below the logo. In any event it is a nice looking anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmall Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 thanks rusty anchor i notice no handling holes how were the early trentons made? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Mail call! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donal Harris Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Where do you find these books? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 eBay, mostly. Sometimes Amazon or abebooks. Occasionally I'll find something in a used book store. The Mackintosh book was a particular challenge. I've never seen it in a store, and this copy was only the second one I've seen on eBay that wasn't in the UK (with unacceptably exorbitant shipping charges that basically doubled the cost). Not that I have any objection to international purchases: I got a copy of Fritz Kuhn: Decorative Work in Wrought Iron and Other Metals shipped from Australia last January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Estate sales of other blacksmiths. Library book sales. Used book stores and fleamarkets in this and other countries---who was it that said "Travel Broadens the Mind and Thins the Wallet"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 The fun thing about eBay is watching the tracking progress of shipped items through the USPS website. I have a copy of Dona Meilach's Ironwork: Dynamic Details that left Eugene, OR on the 6th and was last heard from in Anchorage, AK on the 14th. Maybe they thought Frosty ordered it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 I get my insulin shipped in an insulated container and had to refuse an order that was supposed to be next day and instead took a detour to the east coast with temps above 100 degF in the shade! That mix up cost someone over US$3000! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyanchor Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Farmall, Well... I know Trenton and AH are reputed to have used the same cast bases, the top half of the both anvils are forged, but I don't know how they handled the upper half of the anvil for the forge welding. Later AH were arc welded at the waist. I have seen one of those, and it looked like AH used a huge welding rod for the process. AIA talks about the switch to arc welding sometime around the time the AH forge/buildings burned down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan M Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 My Dad picked up a couple of packs of leaf springs from the local dump today. The leaves are 1/2" thick and 3" wide. The longest springs are about 42-43" long and there are 8 to a pack. I am planing on making a guillotine tool and using some of the spring as die stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaera Posted April 17, 2021 Share Posted April 17, 2021 My brother gave me five pieces of 5/8 brass round from his work. Most about 18”. Not sure what all to do with them, but definitely appreciated. Maybe a brass leaf as a thank you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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