blacksmith777 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 One of my clients costumed a chandelier. The main body is a birdcase and a sculpture standing bird in it. The bird may be 6" ×5" （L×H）. I'd like to forge it with no welding. But I haven't done any items like this. Someone give me any advice? THANKS!! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbruce Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 777, Google some bird images and give us a little more to go on........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 It would be helpful to know what type of bird you want to make, Hawk, Duck, Goose, Sparrow, etc. You want wings out as if in flight, or close to the body as if at rest? Repose' or solid bird? We need more information. Practice with modeling clay first. Once you can use your hammer, anvil, and other tools to make the bird you want, you will already have a good idea how to make the same bird out of metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 repouse bird would be nice rivetted togethrer in two halves. nice and light for its size..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 having said that - if this horse really is forged, then its very cool!!!, heavy or not, and a bird would not be out of the question..... check him out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 That's got to be a casting. The "parting line" is very obvious. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 yes - you can see something on his nose and tail cant you.... it was within a lot of photos of forged work so i was led astray into wondering if it could have been. if it was cast, i suddenly dont think it s so great...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thingmaker3 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Change the dimensions (ie the ratio of neck to beak or beak to head) and you get different kinds of birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Consider forging out of tube with forged legs and wings suitably attached, Good practice in the use of the fuller, otherwise repoussed in two halves and brazed/welded together as in weather cocks. It would also be possible to forge it out of flat plate with appropriate chasing for wings eyes beak etc, then curve it and forge into the body shape with its little sticky out legs to secure it to the perch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 here is a bird done by the Yellin shop the gate is in Seattle it is done out of plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Here is an owl made in copper by Mike Dunbill And an Ostrich by Eric White May give you a couple of ideas for 3D models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Might also help if we knew your skills and abilities as well as what you have to work with in the way of shop and tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judson Yaggy Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 In the interest of giving more ways to skin a cat, here's a bird that I do. 1/8" plate cut out flat, head dished from the inside out, body rolled in, tail flattened and textured, beak drawn out. Might well scale up to what you are after, play with the various dimensions of your flat blank for different shaped birds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herchammer Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 jy I like the look of those! may have to give those a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 In the interest of giving more ways to skin a cat, here's a bird that I do. 1/8" plate cut out flat, head dished from the inside out, body rolled in, tail flattened and textured, beak drawn out. Might well scale up to what you are after, play with the various dimensions of your flat blank for different shaped birds. Thats exactly what I meant JY but with the legs attached at the initial cutting out operation. Nice job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 That's got to be a casting. The "parting line" is very obvious. . It could be a closed die forging but if I had to put money on it I'd say it's probably a casting. Frosty the Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Those are very cool Judson and the technique is pretty straightforward for the effects. This would be a good way to forge sea critters, say dolphins, whales, fish, etc. There've sure been some great birds posted, thanks all. Frosty the Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacksmith777 Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Wonderful ideas and photos! THANKS. Sparrow or magpie would be my choice. My cleint supplied the original photo for reference. I can't differentiate what stuff made it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Turley Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Water bird. Body and beak solid forged, 5.5" tall, 5.5" from tip of tail to tip of beak. Made by Doug Wilson of Little Deer Isle, Maine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 The picture your clients provided could be done from pipe with appropriate fullers and tooling. I need to look at my copy of Kuhn's "Wrought Iron" as I recall a bird or two in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bajajoaquin Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Water bird. Body and beak solid forged, 5.5" tall, 5.5" from tip of tail to tip of beak. Made by Doug Wilson of Little Deer Isle, Maine. Heh, heh. Water bird. Washing machine. Get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I noticed the washing machine, but didn't connect with the water bird. Good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 how about this one? http://enriquevega.com/4sale/Equipment4Sale.html#14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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