ianinsa Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I picked this up in the scrap, put on a new cord, new vermiculite and it now works like a charm. I switched it on to test it and using an ir gun it got to 350C in a few minutes. I would like to know what its 'intended use' was . And a bit more than 'heating things up' as I got in the shop would be ideal ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Greetings Ian , The pot was used for melting plastic for dipping tooling into for shipping. Also used for hand tool dipping for handle protection. Forge onand make beautiful thingsJim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted August 15, 2015 Author Share Posted August 15, 2015 Jim, thanks for the reply, that pot is only about 2" deep? And that temp is whopping for plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teenylittlemetalguy Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Looks like a melting pot for lead. That is enough heat for it as well. They were used by plumbers back when waste pipes used oakum and lead joints. I suppose someone casting lead shot could have used it as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted August 16, 2015 Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) What is the low tick-over temperature?Presumably there were no traces of stuff stuck to it anywhere to give a clue.Old woodworkers' hide glue pits were insulated/ double skinned like that. But the temperature does seem to make lead a favourite.Melting Sulfur for fixings would also be a possibility but that only needs just over 115˚ C.Alan Edited August 16, 2015 by Alan Evans just remembered Sulfur Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Alan, it has 3 'settings ' I had it on 3 'to test' what would you be melting sulfur for? ....I suppose if you like the smell of brimstone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 You can use sulfur to fix stanchions or hold-down bolts in concrete like hot lead, "every skuleboy no that"…. There is no need to hold up your hands up in my direction with your forefingers forming a cross….honest.Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 I war wunce a skuleboy an they didrn tell me nuffin like dat! But that was a Calvinistic school, so none of that lucivanarian stuff was in the curriculum!That said, I'm a great believer in lead fixings and tamping. Never even a hint of sulfur? Please indulge this naïve ignorant youngster and educate me PLEASE.For the Osha junkies I have heard all the concerns regarding lead yet I don't lick the epoxy, snort the epoxy nor would I stick my epoxy covered gloved hand in my mouth? Am I missing out?(Fomo?) For the sake of surveying! How many of you other blacksmith folk have affixed a balustrade using sulfur? Or am I the only ignoramus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 I have not used either lead or sulfur. I discovered Rockite X, an hydraulic cement grout, early on and have used that almost exclusively. Hilti Hit and the Fischer resin being the other 25%.Do you use the cold system of lead wool and tamp it in, or pour the lead hot and and then caulk it in with a lead wool top?I have seen various demonstrations of the hot lead pour system using plasticine to form a cup when fixing something to a wall and forming a levee around a vertical hole into a horizontal surface. The big safety trick was to put a couple of drops of oil into the hole which somehow prevents any dampness from becoming steam and spitting the lead back out at you.Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted August 17, 2015 Author Share Posted August 17, 2015 Lead is 'old hat' been there and done that, even got the 'T' shirt. I use hot lead but I have poured molten lead into water to make shot, then mixed cement with coarse sand added it to the shot and tamped that in. Never seen lead wool.But now I'm sooooo disappointed here I was thinking I was about to learn something 'MORE' from 'THE MASTER' ! Now I'm going to have to live with my own methodically researched information(google ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well it's not documented too far back; but Theophilus wrote about how to fix a broken knife tang using sulfur in "Divers Arts" written around 1120 A.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted August 17, 2015 Share Posted August 17, 2015 Well it's not documented too far back; but Theophilus wrote about how to fix a broken knife tang using sulfur in "Divers Arts" written around 1120 A.D.Must be past its "use by" date by now then… I think I first read about sulfur in the flier for Rockite/Kwikset which was essentially saying our product is much better…I think Rockite expands very slightly as it goes off whereas virtually everything else shrinks…as per lead which requires caulking. One of the advantages of modern resin systems.Mind you the down side of the slight expansion is that I revisited some of my projects which were set near the edge of York Stone pavers and they had subsequently cracked. So ever since I have only brought the Rockite up to just below the pavior and then made a weaker mix by adding sand and / or drilling dust from the stone to top off.Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarry Dog Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 Simpson-Strongtie "Set" and "Set XP" work really well and if I'm not mistaken are approved for earthquake anchoring and ledger bolts in Los Angeles county. I believe Hilti "Hit" and Rockite are in the same boat, but I have an easier time getting Set (they sell it at Home Repo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 18, 2015 Share Posted August 18, 2015 We used a product called CylCap to cap concrete test cylinders for the breaker to test. CylCap is a mix of sulphur and clay specifically to exceed the strength of any concrete mix for test purposes. It's also used to test anchor bolts and such, we'd drill a hole in the target stone set the bar, bolt, anchor, etc. to be tested and anchor it with melted CylCap. Then I'd clamp it in the cylinder breaker and try to pull the bolt out of the stone.That cylinder breaker would pull up to 2,000tons I have NO idea why our lab had a brute like that but. We'd note the tonnage and which sample broke, sometimes the #6 rebar would snap first, sometimes the granite block but never, not once did the CylCap fail, not once. We varied the annulus as well, the gap between the bar and hole and even with a huge fill area the CylCap never failed.We used CylCap because straight sulphur was a little inconsistent but generally considered excessively strong.Anchor it with sulphur, you ain't going to pull it out. Removing the anchor is as easy as heating the bolt or whatever with a Bernzomatic torch.Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gote Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 We used sulphur to fix measuring points to samples in the seventies. The reason was that it was quick setting and very rigid. Afer the test it coud be melted out and reused.Göte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sulfur had the unusual property that it expands slightly as it hardens; hence the uses noted above as locking anchors into rock, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Shears Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Reminds me of a 'tinning' pot used for dip tinning of electronics wiring.A quantity of solder (63/37 lead/tin alloy usually) was melted in the pot. The insulation of circuit connection wires for solder cup connectors. Ends were pre-stripped to the correct amount of exposed conductor (either bare or tinned copper) needed, the end was dipped in liquid rosin flux followed by dipping in the liquid solder. Then the wiring harness was built up. It's an older style of labour intensive assembly technique that's pretty much phased out.Was shown and taught the technique in trade school 30 plus years ago and I've never used since.Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 Thanks Don, other than an egg poacher any constructive ideas as to what to do with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I've seen similar used for hot waxing at salons...(don't ask why I was at the salons...) Nowadays they use small crockpots.I have GOT to try the sulfur thing. I hadn't heard about it on tangs, but didn't they used to set them in handles with pitch or resin in Persia and India? Definitely a step up on the manliness scale from Gorilla glue two part epoxy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matto Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 i'm not worried about you being in the salon, i'm woried about what you were waxing!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Resin is the traditional filling for hollow handles on steel-bladed knives in fine silverware. (I know this from a memorable incident with a dishwasher.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I have GOT to try the sulfur thing. I hadn't heard about it on tangs, but didn't they used to set them in handles with pitch or resin in Persia and India? Definitely a step up on the manliness scale from Gorilla glue two part epoxy.Nothing's a step up in manliness mounting handles that Gorilla Glue if you hold it in your hand while the excess flows out. Hold it in your lap and you'll WISH it was wax.Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 And you know this why...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That's nothing, I walked into what I thought was a Thai restaurant when stationed in Korea one time. Suffice it to say I walked out again in a hurry without any Masaman curry. I think the reason why on the gorilla glue is self-evident.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 And you know this why...?I'm not a teenager and can make a reasonable guess? Please feel free to disprove my guess, I'll look forward to your results. No pics necessary thank you.Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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