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About metalmangeler

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    Palmer Alaska


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    Palmer Alaska
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    hunting, fishing
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    farrier, blacksmith, beekeeper

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  1. I think experinced farriers should be able to handle good tongs ok. One thing to remember is that maybe 90% of the farriers who go to school are not shoeing as a job 5 years later, so when you are selling tools to farriers a significant portion of your sales are likely to people with limited skills. You could offer 2 lines light ones that require good care and another of forgiving ones, or if you get a chance look at a pair of Dennis Manning's farrier tongs, I think they are made of mild steel, but are very well thought out regarding stress areas the ones I have seen were really light and long lasting.
  2. Considering how you are doing I would expect you will be able to sell your tongs, you will need to be able to make them quickly if you hope to make money. Farriers will pay more than blacksmiths as a rule. They really like shiny I would let the looks of the tools speak for itself. I have not worked on making these type tongs, but I think you should be able to make a double fuller tool with a stop that you could use under a power hammer really should not add much if any time to making a pair of tongs. One of the things I have heard over the years is that some of the people making tongs for farriers started out making them from higher carbon steels then later went to lower because the buyers tended to cool over heated tools in water then break them, it is unfortunate as better steel can be used for lighter tongs.
  3. in the thread Alaska groups like 2 down from here Mr.B is looking for smiths in your area, send him a PM
  4. I think the purpose is that stylized tools sell better. This is a legitimet purpose if you are selling tools.
  5. I bet Jay's son knows a lot more about it than I ever will.
  6. Might think about 1045 should move easier under the hammer, not quite as good but I would think it should work well enough. Less $$$$ for the steel. easy to heat treat. In production with a small hammer (50# LG) moving easier should help in getting out product, make a prototype see if it is the 1045 will do. You need to do a few prototypes to see how much time and material it will take and to start to sort out how to tool up for the job anyhow. If he is doing the marketing and handleing and you are just forging the head I would think you will need to make them for around $40 if he is selling them at the mentioned price point, so you would need to spit out at least 3 per hour including heat treatment. He will need to have a fairly large order to make this worthwhile for you. Going from one offs to production might not be how you are made, or it might be really good for you but it will be different and take a different mindset. Just how I would look at it.
  7. I think maybe Jay Sharp got the modern farriers headed in the direction of the shoulder on their tongs, I think he was a following champion tool designs. They do look nice and I think you are really doing a great job Ben.
  8. I remember maybe 30 years ago I was in a small local horseshoe forging competion, I had a tent stake I was using as a bob punch for my clips. One of the other guys thought it was some specialty tool with the hook there to protect my hand if I lacked enough control to keep from hitting my hand.
  9. I sometimes use center fire brass, prefire the primers by heat under a plate so they do not fly into an eye, then seat them like for reloading. You can fire .22 brass with heat also, then you do not end up with the dent in the rim, pull the bullet first of course and set up so they don't end up in your eye.
  10. Very creative, I like these and your DNA knife.
  11. Their are people up there they have not really organized, I think Brian is still in North Pole. Frosty likely knows. I will PM you some other names.
  12. Frosty I bring a different forge to the fair. Mike I am sure you are right regarding burner design, and the forge body design. That said the OP has this forge now, I think it is a workable tool. Mine would get to sparking heat, with a new liner, likely needing more fuel than other models. the reason I would consider another has to do with access and perhaps famililarity I am used to a tin llizzy.
  13. I bought a Forgemaster that I have used for over 20 years, a lot of things have improved since then, I still use my Forgemaster, (it is paid for) when I bought it they had a better reputation than NC forges. The floor of the Forge Master is set up to create a swirl. It does become chipped after awhile and then is less effective. I have been thinking I might get a new forge, I have not ruled out the Forgemaster. Thought I might add this to give a different perspective, I do not think it is a terrible forge, there have been a lot of days it has put out pretty substancial amounts of forgings.
  14. I like it....
  15. I would think burning on horse shoes would put off similar fumes, normally done outside sometimes lots of smoke, death is not usually the result. Esther thinks it smells good I guess one of those familiar childhood smells. Everyone else would rather avoid the smell.