ThomasPowers Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Why I like wearing my "Hold the cold end and hit the hot end" and "In Rust We Trust" ifi T-shirts when teaching---a constant reminder to students. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 "In rust we trust." Good one! I would proudly wear such a sentiment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 Glenn sells them; I've bought 2---so far! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I have one of the IRONheART T's from Glenn and people keep saying,"I've never heard of that band, what kind of music do they play? haha. Then I get to bend their ear talking about blacksmithing. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jealdi Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 I have one of the In Rust we Trust ones. Super comfy shirt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Pnut; just tell them that they do a heavy metal version of the Anvil Chorus! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Good idea. I will tell them exactly that. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 18, 2021 Author Share Posted January 18, 2021 "Lightweight alumina hollow sphere brick for ceramic kiln lining" The ad says "Lightweight alumina hollow sphere brick for ceramic kiln lining"; Google it to find these bricks at $6 a brick. You'll have to wait for a slow boat from China, but once the drop shippers get a hold of this, the bricks will hit hit $25 and "shipping costs." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 Are we talking these Mikey? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 Same kind of brick, but not the the one I saw was a plain rectangular design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 Huh, that was the only one I could find that was in the $6 range and they wanted $120 CAD per brick in shipping charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 It looks like you've got a bad connection; maybe hang up and dial again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 KT refractories sell bubble alumina bricks but like Mikey said they're ridiculously expensive. $30ea. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 19, 2021 Author Share Posted January 19, 2021 What; no outrageous shipping fees added on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 A better price than the Chinese option at any rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 All these prices will level out in a year or two; right now, its something new, so of course they want all the suckers will shell out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I'm going to go buy a bunch of bricks from the local blacksmith I met on the weekend, probably not as good but for $11 each it gets me them ASAP. On that note, this appears to be the stuff he uses and has to supply if people want, is it any good compared to Kastolite 30 which I can't get right now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 A couple things. First the only thing wanting it RIGHT NOW guarantees is making your mistakes permanent more quickly. Old type IFBs ran $13 ea. on the shelf in Anchorage Ak. K-26 are becoming industry standard and are available on the shelf in Anchorage for just under $4 ea. with our club discount, under $6 retail. Old type IFBs have a very short lifespan in a propane forge, their tamp rating is way too low and they can't tolerate the rapid temp changes a propane burner causes. Seriously an IFB lined forge will go from room temp to 2,800f.+ in under 5 minutes. You get to light your old type IFB brick pile forge maybe 3 times before the bricks crumble too badly to hold at all. Kiln washed or not. A quick search shows Uni-cast 2,800 to be 48% alumina and rated to 2,800f. No insulating qualities though. Assuming the usual margin manufacturers put on "official" ratings it should hold fine above 2,800f. a ways. It's supposed to be abrasion resistant so should stand up to the rough treatment a typical forge enjoys from steel being inserted and withdrawn. I'd pass on the IFBs unless the seller can show them to be Morgan ceramics, K-26. You can order K-26 online for under $11 USD. There are suppliers in Canada so you won't have to pay import duties and such. Even if it's painfully expensive, it'll be a long term investment in $ and waiting time. The Morgan k-26 in my forges are better than 3 years old and going strong. The only breakage has been the result of being dropped. Of course that's just my opinion, your mileage may vary. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I would love to do it right, but this sites fixation on not linking other sites and vague suggestions to google do not help. I've spent days trying to find Canadian suppliers for anything recommended on this site, Plistex and Matrikote might as well literally not exist in Canada, Kast-o-lite is out of stock in the one place that lists it, not a single site I've been able to find specifies if a firebrick is K-26 or anything at all. I'm entirely open to suggestions but the idea that it's straight forward to find what Americans can easily get there hands on here in Canada is entirely not the case. The local blacksmithing group has no more access to the materials than I do so I am entirely at a loss of how to proceed without either waiting for shipping and duties from the US for however long that is or trying to work with the materials available to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikey98118 Posted January 20, 2021 Author Share Posted January 20, 2021 Can you find Canadian suppliers for Perlte, a common soil additive, found in the garden departments of large hardware stores? If so, mix the Perlite with that refractory at about one-quarter to one-third by volume, to make decent insulating refractory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Thanks Mikey, I'm reasonably sure I can find Perlite. Yup good old Canadian Tire has it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor84 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 Since covid refractory suppliers are getting shorted as a lot of the product comes from the US. Search for PSH pottery supply house they sell k2600 HS "high strength" I haven't used them. This company also sells high alumina kiln shelves as well as Bentonite and zircopax I have not attempted a wash yet though. Keep in mind when you look at the k2600 in cad it's like 12 bucks with conversion you aren't too much more expensive than US. span widgpan widgetC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I'm now confused too, K-26 shows a 2600F fire rating while the ones I'm told are no good have a 2800F rating, which is somehow worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I just searched "Morgan Thermal Ceramics Locations". I had to select Canada on the "Our Locations" page and only got one hit. 1185 Walkers Line Burlington Ontario L7M 1L1 It wasn't a vague suggestion to do a web search, it was a straight up suggestion. You don't expect us to do everything for you do you? If you don't know how to do web searches, ask for help we'll coach you, it's an acquired skill set and must be learned. I missed where someone here told you 2,800 IFBs are no good, in this thread. Are you confusing Morgan, K-26 IFBs with the evaluation of the Uni-cast 2,800? Those are two entirely different refractories. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkbox Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 You know what, I think I'm done here. I'll figure it out on my own. I'm sorry I don't know the specific search terms and hope to get something approaching help in a non condescending manner. Clearly I was delusional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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