SoCal Dave Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 I saw a commercial on TV about an omega watch that was created after an astronaut said the moon is gray. It was something like that, but the interesting part was how they made the watch. They took a metal to make the frame and bombarded it with carbon, argon, and something else to make a new metal. This is got to be BS? I know that argon is an inert gas used in tig welding so I don't think in would impart any critical changes to any metal. Plus, I don't think bombarding it with gases would change the metal very much. If you have seen this commercial, is this possible? I'm not a metallurgist and inquiring minds want to know . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy k Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Sounds like an advertising campaign gone - stretch of the truth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It was probably the talking head not really knowing what s/he was talking about or fed lines by a producer who didn't. If you close a positively charged target in a chamber under partial vacuum inert atmosphere and subject the deposition material to an arc. The ionized, negatively charged deposition material will be attracted to the target and plate itself evenly. The process is called "Sputtering." This is how they put molecule thick layers gold on plastic lenses. Do some seriously interesting "plating" including some circuitry. I imagine some marketing guy thought s/he'd get more millage by puffing the process. I suppose if you were to look creatively "new" materials could be claimed but . . . I call it sales puffery. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 "As seen on TV" Surely that means it's Gospel! Why is the everyone such a doubting Thomas? Frosty thank you for the definition of "sputtering " I had though is was the oral diarrhea the comes from a politician's mouth when he tells the world that there isn't actually any risk when you take in thousands of refugees that you can't possibly screen properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSW Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 4 hours ago, Frosty said: If you close a positively charged target in a chamber under partial vacuum inert atmosphere and subject the deposition material to an arc. The ionized, negatively charged deposition material will be attracted to the target and plate itself evenly. The process is called "Sputtering." This is how they put molecule thick layers gold on plastic lenses. Do some seriously interesting "plating" including some circuitry. I'd always heard of the process as vacuum metalizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 20 hours ago, DSW said: I'd always heard of the process as vacuum metalizing. That'd be a good descriptive term but all kinds of things can be "sputtered". I have NO idea why they call it "sputtering" unless maybe the arc makes a sputtering sound or something. I understand the confusion Ian but sputtering is only a politician's oratory style if someone expects a straight answer and tries pinning them to one. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Dave Posted December 17, 2015 Author Share Posted December 17, 2015 I saw the commercial for the Omega watch again. The watch frame is made in a plasma reactor, which is bombarded with hydrogen, methane, and argon. This turns Zirconium Oxide into Zirconium Carbide. Amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoyoteGear Posted February 9, 2016 Share Posted February 9, 2016 I saw a commercial about how a truck bed was made out of the same rolled steel that the hulls of submarines are. (BIG ONES, ie US Navy) Yet I'm about 100% sure that no truck manufacturer is using HY80 for their trucks, and I'm also about 100% sure that's what sub hulls are made of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted February 10, 2016 Share Posted February 10, 2016 Subs use Hy80 and Hy120 for the pressure hulls. Gases can produce hard surfaces as in Nitriding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 Got a few slabs of the HY stuff was told it was polaris missile sub hull. I love research lab scrap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted February 11, 2016 Share Posted February 11, 2016 One of the jobs my Dad worked on at Mare Island Naval Shipyard was boring the Polaris missile tubes. One cut from top to bottom took all shift to do. IIRC he said they were 8' in diameter. The forge shop had some big steam hammers. I got to watch them in action during a family day. I should still have the auction listing kicking around somewhere. If I find it I will post up what they were on the power hammer section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gote Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Not sales puffery Frosty. Sales sputtering. The first setups doing this made a sputtering noise so the term held on. Not unlike the original bug caught in a very early computer's relay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 29, 2016 Share Posted February 29, 2016 Oh so very cool to express a logical speculation and have it be correct. I was right! YAY! I read about the original bug too. That was in the very early tube and mechanical switches computer days wasn't it? I'm thinking WWII? Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gote Posted March 1, 2016 Share Posted March 1, 2016 It was. I should think a little later - around 1950 but really do not know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 On 11/29/2015 at 8:15 PM, ianinsa said: "As seen on TV" Surely that means it's Gospel! Why is the everyone such a doubting Thomas? No, you're thinking of the Internet. Everything's true on the Internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted March 4, 2016 Share Posted March 4, 2016 I don't think so... also from computerhistory.org: September 9, 1947 First Instance of Actual Computer Bug Being Found At 3:45 p.m., Grace Murray Hopper records the first computer bug in her log book as she worked on the Harvard Mark II. The problem was traced to a moth stuck between a relay in the machine, which Hopper duly taped into the Mark II's log book with the explanation: “First actual case of bug being found.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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