grimcat27 Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 doe's any one know it jipsum would work as a flux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reid Neilsen Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 I just use 20 Mule Team Borax. Thats all.:o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocko 58 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Here in the land of OZ u can get it at Bunnings in cleaning section , purchased some yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jocko 58 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Borax sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Thomas Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 As a person who hasn't done any work in blacksmithing just as yet, I was lucky enough to finally aquire some railroad iron anvils, tongs and a Royal Western Cheif H blower. When speaking to the man who was retired from blacksmithing as a hobby, he told me that I should look into asking about using Borax as a forge welding flux. He said it protected the metal? I don't understand how to use it when forge welding, when I heard borax, is a soap?:confused: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnptc Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 pure borax the chemical not 'borax soap" usually applied when the metal is red hot then returned to the heat until welding temp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unkle spike Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 (edited) 20 Mule Team Borax is a laundry soap "additive" available at most grocery stores. I have used it with 'mixed' results. There are other better mixes. The borax acts as a flux to prevent oxidation, and keeps the metal clean for welding. Search the forums for "forge welding" there are plenty of how to's on the site. Edited May 6, 2009 by unkle spike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnptc Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 20 Mule Team Borax is a laundry soap available at most grocery stores. I have used it with 'mixed' results. There are other better mixes. The borax acts as a flux to prevent oxidation, and keeps the metal clean for welding. Search the forums for "forge welding" there are plenty of how to's on the site. in the green box its all borax and can be used as an additive to soap :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Thompson Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 If you have never done any blacksmithing it's unlikely that you'll need a flux for a few months. Welcome to the site, by the way. Where are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Thomas Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Very infomative, thank you all for your knowledge on the matter!!! I'm from Cashmere,Wa. I figure that I will try to forge my wife a hunting knife for my first project, and then try to make some good tools. Any suggestions on what tool I should start with as a starting point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Good luck a knife is not a good first project, but have fun. Read through the knife section for more information as to why I say this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlotte Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 (edited) Very infomative, thank you all for your knowledge on the matter!!! I'm from Cashmere,Wa. I figure that I will try to forge my wife a hunting knife for my first project, and then try to make some good tools. Any suggestions on what tool I should start with as a starting point? As Steve said, a forged knife is not a good first project. However, a ground out custom knife would require many of the same tools that would be be needed to make a forged knife. The big difference is you would not need many of the "hot work tools" You will need a vice and usually the bigger the better. Files and so forth. I recommend that you contact the good folks at nwkc.org (Northwest Knife Collectors Association). They are an organization that is devoted to promoting the making and collecting custom knives. They meet in Tacoma Washington. They will probably be able to put you in touch with someone that can help you through your project. Edited May 7, 2009 by Charlotte add name Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Welcome aboard, glad to have you. Cashmere is really close to a number of superior blacksmiths and bladesmiths. If you haven't already, joining the NWBA will greatly enhance your learning experience. Making blades is a pretty advanced skill. . . Well, blades safe enough and attractive enough to want to give someone as a gift take skill and experience to make. If you'll click "User CP" at the top of the page and edit your profile to show your location it can make a big difference. If local folk know you're there they can invite you to get togethers, tip you to tool deals and offer hands on help. Frosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentiron1946 Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Borax, Boraxo or boric? Well I just went a looooking and found this for you edification:Pictures, stories, and facts about the element Boron in the Periodic Table Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Thomas Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 Took your advise and put in more info, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Thomas Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 I went and bought some 20 mule team borax, now I am removing any excess moisture from it. Am going to store it in a air tight container and have it when needed. Hopfully I will be ready to use it in a few months, as I need to work on skills and all. want to learn drawing out metal, so am practicing on old railroad spikes. Wish me luck!!! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Thomas Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 (edited) Great idea,thanks! Using a salt shaker for the flux. Edited May 8, 2009 by lordraveneyeofra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 8, 2009 Share Posted May 8, 2009 hmm. funny that is strted this as it seems that other people have gotten more out of it! too bad all of th ewelds i have done have ntuck themselves. at least it was an attempt. i have to clean my pieces more. clean steel+welding heat+borax+a hammer+anvil+person to use said things= decent forge weld. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 well i finally got some boric acid (borax just not akaili to those other newbies out there). i will try to weld this afternoon. thank god i do not have to sift sand and make salt(i met a smith who said sand and salt is an OK flux). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 (edited) Boric acid works Boric acid is not the same as borax. Borax is an acid at welding temps. Edited May 13, 2009 by steve sells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 oops. looks like i need to read up on chemistry! although i did mean at room temp. thanks again for correcting the incorrectible newbie (me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 At room temp it does not do much for a smith. This is one problem with some of the things we use, the MSDS is made for normal usages, and they don't all include our high temperature effects on the item. We need to know both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new guy Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 good to know and thanks again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbob Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) here is a good link about borax Borax - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the Sodium Tetraborate Na2B4O7 is Anyhdrous Borax ...I just bought a gallon can (5 1b)for around $15 at Knife Making Supplies plus shipping I'. point this out, as over the weekend, at the Madison conference, several merchanats were selling flux average price for a 1 lb can was $15 ...I was also told some mumbo-jumbo about having a chemist help in the formluation of their flux....every product has an MSDS label look at it it will tell you what is in the product. some fluxes have iron filings added as a signal to you as when the metal is ready to weld (sparks). also the Anhydrous Borax does not eat the floor of you gas forge the way regular Borax will Edited May 19, 2009 by jimbob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Ahh Jimbo I'm a bit confused: by the time regular borax is molten it is anhydrous borax so I read your statement: "Anhydrous Borax does not eat the floor of you gas forge the way Anhydrous Borax will"? Tis a puzzlement to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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