Frosty Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 LEDs rule and the up front costs have come down to reasonable! I LOVE working in white light it's easier for me to see fine details and colors. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Note: if you wonder if you need an electrician; IT'S PAST TIME YOU HAD ONE IN! We bought our first house from the widow of a central office maintenance guy who managed to electrocute himself working under the kitchen sink leaving a wife and two small kids...his shop was wired *beautifully*! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetreeforge Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I always wondered what its like with 110 volt power tools and welders? Are they rubbish? In NZ we just have 240v in the house, its illegal to sell any 110v appliances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Did you think about your question before hitting send? I'd respond but sarcasm is frowned on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac160 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Onetreeforge, it depends as the variables for brand/quality/whatever else would be the same as anything you might have for 240v. I have a 110v mig welder and it is great for thinner metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 7 hours ago, onetreeforge said: In NZ we just have 240v in the house, its illegal to sell any 110v appliances. most likely because they dont supply 110 volt power there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetreeforge Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 People don't believe me when I say I have 240v in every room in the house. I can go and buy a 250 amp mig welder and plug it in in my bedroom because all the plugs are the same to. But seriously, wouldn't 110v power tools be lame? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George N. M. Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 The reason that North, Central, and northern South America use 110-120v and most of the rest of the world uses about 240v (Japan uses 100v) is largely historical. The early American electrical firms (Edison and Westinghouse) used 110v and the early European firms such as Siemans and AEG used 240v. Somewhat counter intuitively transmission lines are more efficient at high voltages and 240 and higher can use thinner transmission wires. That is why in the US local transmission lines are 240v and it is stepped down for use within the house. Interestingly, the US uses a 60 hertz cycle for AC current which is more efficient than the 50 hz usually used in Europe. I don't think the average consumer notices much difference in the 2 systems. The lights come on, the washer runs, the drill turns, the oven gets hot, etc. with both systems. "By hammer and hand all arts do stand." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Yes 110 is "lamer" than 220; but still a lot better the the mrk1A hand tool....living in a hot area my shop is heavily wired with both 110 and 220 outlets and the 60 amp 220 welder plug. Now what I'd like is 3 phase but that was going to cost 20K euros to get to my shop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goods Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Only 20K euros? The is a pole with three phase on it less the 50m from my shop, but I was quoted much higher for getting it into the building. Keep it fun, David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 Gotta go down the road a bit for for 3ph; then it's buried service to get to the shop....For "personal" reasons my shop stuff is sorta on hold.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gewoon ik Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 On 12/20/2022 at 5:02 AM, George N. M. said: The reason that North, Central, and northern South America use 110-120v and most of the rest of the world uses about 240v (Japan uses 100v) is largely historical. The early American electrical firms (Edison and Westinghouse) used 110v and the early European firms such as Siemans and AEG used 240v. Somewhat counter intuitively transmission lines are more efficient at high voltages and 240 and higher can use thinner transmission wires. That is why in the US local transmission lines are 240v and it is stepped down for use within the house. Interestingly, the US uses a 60 hertz cycle for AC current which is more efficient than the 50 hz usually used in Europe. I don't think the average consumer notices much difference in the 2 systems. The lights come on, the washer runs, the drill turns, the oven gets hot, etc. with both systems. "By hammer and hand all arts do stand." Mostly lownet in eu is 380/400v, 3 fases + neutral. So 220/230 between fase and neutral. You do find 3x 230V but they are older systems (do I get lucky ). Not every one gets 400, most get 1 fase +neutral so 230v (or 2 fases of 230). I say 380 and 220 are the old, sinds a long time it is 230 and 400 but on a lot of older equipment you still find 220/380. And i think the average consumer does notice a difference. Our washers, ovens, ... Mostly come with a standard plug you can put in the standard socket. Almost all standard sockets are rated for 230V and 16A. So no fear of it may not fit. (You still need planning in your house however, the differential is different for a washer than a oven. Also it is better for the fuse not to out the oven and several other sockets on the same loop, but that is the same with you I presume) Extention cords also if 2,5mm2 on each section and rolled out. So 3500W. Most are 1,5mm2 (cheaper, less copper) so only 10A or 2300W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 On 12/19/2022 at 11:02 PM, George N. M. said: That is why in the US local transmission lines are 240v and it is stepped down for use within the house. I am sorry but you are mistaken, in the USA the lines are actually 250 volt line to line, 125v line to neutral, (which is a center tap on the transformer coil) Code allows up to a 5% voltage drop to the meter and another 5% allowance from the meter to the destination, The transmission lines are around 9,000 volts to get out to the neighborhoods (tho some areas may range from 4,500 to 12,000 volts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jeff Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Some of the TVA transmission lines are up to 500,000 volts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 those are high tension transmission lines, and those are not normally in residential areas, I was talking area distribution lines which was what George was covering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jeff Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Sorry, I have some that pass through my property so I was throwing that out there. Didn't mean to cause any confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 I got my electrical journeymans license 38 or so years ago and I am still confused, no worries, FYI the high tension lines go into substations that drop the voltage to more manageable 9,000v distribution lines, which connect to smaller transformers on the poles through out the neighborhoods at 240/120 volts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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