Gimpl Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Hello Everyone, New to the forum and looking forward to learning from everyone. I am looking at a 200lb Trenton Anvil and the serial number is A43050 and wondering if anyone would know the age and/or where this was made. Thank you, Gimpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Welcome to IFI! If you haven't yet, please READ THIS FIRST!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 It was made in Columbus Ohio, USA; I'm at work now---in a foreign country, and can't check my copy of AinA. They are great anvils if they pass the ring and bounce tests! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 Pictures of the anvil would help to give an idea of the condition. If you are thinking of buying it, the asking price would help determine if it's a good value. Beside that if you have done any reading here you know we love pictures. 6 hours ago, ThomasPowers said: work now---in a foreign country Thomas how is the frackas at the border effecting you, with the border closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just a quick look through Anvils in America and I don't see any Trenton anvils using an A before the serial number. Now Hay Buddens made in Brooklyn NY had an A43050 made in 1922. Are you sure it's a Trenton and are you sure it's A43050? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpl Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Hello Again, I picked up the anvil yesterday over on the Oregon Coast. Needless to say it was a bit rusty but brought it home and shined it up with a wire brush. I have attached pictures for everyone to see. The Trenton mark on the side is hard to see but I do think it is Trenton. Also came with these hardy tools. I know the cutoff tool but was wondering what the other 2 are for, if anyone can shed light on that I would appreciate it. Thank you again, Gimpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Definitely looks like a Trenton to me. It also looks like it hasn't seen a lot of hard work, the face looks pristine. The other two tools are for small work, the curved one is a bick, that can have a wedge to hold it tight and the other looks like a mandrel of sorts. A very nice find indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Trenton, excellent condition! Useful tools for certain tasks too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpl Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thank you, Any idea of the age? I also forgot to ask about the horn, was it manufactured with the flat portion at the top or did someone grind it flat? It does line up perfectly with the face to make a nice long level area. Sure glad I found this forum, Take care, Gimpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Oly, WA Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 I would guess someone ground (milled, surfaced) the horn. I've never seen a Trenton with a flattened horn. Hopefully they just did the horn and not the face along with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpl Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thank you John, Funny you would say that, I thought the face plate looked thin to me as well as the heel looking a little thin. I hope I did not make a mistake buying this one, I dont know how you would reface something like this. Would you reshape the horn with a grinder to get it back to round or leave it alone? Thanks, Gimpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Face plates on Trentons run about 1/2" +/-. John's looking at the horn and that is an unusual shape for one, I'd have to assume it was done by the smith using it at the time. It does't really hurt anything you still have the sides and bottom of the horn you only need to develop the skills to work around the flat. Don't get hung up on it's age unless you want it as a collectible rather than a tool. What you have there is a SWEET old lady in excellent condition. Gentlemen don't ask ladies their age you know. It's fun for conversation's sake but has no real utility in a tool. As a side note, she has generations of good work left in her, let your grandkids worry about where Grandpaw the blacksmith got her. Frosty The Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpl Posted November 27, 2018 Author Share Posted November 27, 2018 Thanks Frosty, I went out and if I am measuring correctly it only has about 3/16th left of the top plate. It has great rebound (better than by 142lb Mousehole I sold to get this) and it rings well also. I guess I just thought I was getting a great old anvil. Now wondering if I should have just went with the New 120lb Nimba Titan instead. One of the drawbacks to being new into the craft and learning what to look for. Take care, Gimpl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frozenforge Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Should be from 1904. As long as the rebound is good and it rings good dont get hung up on measurements. The were made individually so each one has unique characteristics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Hammer Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 It looks to me like the horn flat lines up with the surface of the anvil face which tells me it was definitely machined. They could get the anvil face to sit flat due to the horn being slightly raised up so it had to be ground down. Based on your pictures it looks like at least half of the face plate is gone after it was ground at some point. It should still work fine, but yes test the rebound. I would give her an easy life with no sledge hammering. Let's say I'm right and half the face plate has been ground off, you still have half the life left in her and she should serve you for the rest of your days and then some with a few other smiths. Whenever I see a face that is that pristine, it's always a red flag to me. We've all seen anvils that so little or no service that look like that, but they are getting harder and harder to find. The odds mostly tip in the direction of a machined anvil if the face looks that nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Oly, WA Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 It would be difficult to put a new face on it. The face does look thin, but I wouldn't worry so much about that. If it works, it works and that's what matters. But like MC suggests, don't go sledge hammering on it and it should last a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gimpl Posted November 28, 2018 Author Share Posted November 28, 2018 Thank you MC & John, Makes me feel better for sure. I do small ornamental work and don's use anything over a 3lb hammer and 5/8 stock. Will actually use it for the first time tonight after I get off work. Appreciate everyone's help & guidance with this one. Take care, Gimpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iulian Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Since when is Trenton an anvil with face-plate??? This is mine and has no face. I have it from a USA military base in Europe. It must be original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Frog Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Lulian, yours is a later one with solid steel top half. Can you post a picture of the serial number on yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iulian Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 On 1/3/2019 at 7:36 AM, Black Frog said: Lulian, yours is a later one with solid steel top half. Can you post a picture of the serial number on yours? Sure! What is the other half made of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Cast mild steel. Manufacturers also started to arc weld the top and bottom pieces together at the waist instead of forge welding them in later years. Looking at how the waist weld was dressed on that one it might be one of those too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iulian Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 5 hours ago, ThomasPowers said: Cast mild steel. Manufacturers also started to arc weld the top and bottom pieces together at the waist instead of forge welding them in later years. Looking at how the waist weld was dressed on that one it might be one of those too. I was happy to hear from you the bottom part is made of steel. There is not much love here for cast iron though, by google’s saying; cast iron is not less worthy than steel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Where is strength in torsion and strength in tension? Cutting edges? Flexibility? Malleability? Joinability? If you are going to preferentially list qualities where one material excels over the other; your chart will be a bit biased! (Ever think what a jet turbine made from cast iron would be like...I've walked on a cast iron bridge; but I can't tell you were a second one is...) However: alloys tend to be great for somethings and terrible for others. That does not make one better than another; unless you specify the intended use! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iulian Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I've walked on a cast iron bridge; but I can't tell you were a second one is...) good joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Where The cast iron bridge at Ironbridge Gorge is the one I walked on; as I recall they had just banned automobile traffic on it when I was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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