Jonathan Snell Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Morning everyone. My son and I want to start another project, a replica musket. We're intending to make the butt, side plate and trigger guard (and stock, ram rod etc from timber) but not sure what is the best metal to use. We'd like if possible to get that goldy brassy colour but make and shape in the forge. Anyone got any guidance for us? We're intending to bring a flintlock in from the u.s (that part has to look right) as well as the ram rod guides / holders. Not sure how we're going to go but have have nice piece silky oak for the stock. Does anyone have a good contact for the flintlock? Thanks in advance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 If you haven't yet watched "The Gunsmith of Williamsburg", do so now. We'll wait. Okay, wasn't that great? You'll have noticed that the pieces you were asking about are all made from cast brass. Casting is a tricky and dangerous process, but it's an option. If you don't want to do casting, you can always forge the parts from mild steel and then give them a good brushing (while still warm) with a wire brush with brass bristles. At the right temperature, a little bit of brass will come off the bristles and "gild" the steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMS3900 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Ok, JHCC is right, that most flintlock kits today use cast brass for the those parts, however sheet brass can be worked to create the shapes you want as well. As far as contacts I will PM you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Cast brass in simple greensand molds followed up by a lot of hand work with files, sand paper, etc. Note I use my forge as a heat source for this sort of casting for blades....I did have training on making the molds and pouring them might wander over to http://www.alloyavenue.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?12-General-foundry-talk or other forums over there; probably people doing exactly what you want to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 SLOW DOWN. you are all over posting general question in heat treating, guns in knife finishing, how do you expect to learn anything when you are doing a million things at once, stop slow down and pay attention before you and your son get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 I once made a Brass trigger guard, from a partially flattened section of a 1/4" Brass pipe nipple. Turned the Ramrod "pipes" from the same material. Check out "Dixie Gun Works" for parts. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Poet Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 You can forge bronze into whatever shape you want. I'll warn you that bronze is a bit touchy as being forged and if you're inattentive for a second it will either crumble into cottage cheese or just melt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 You can forge SOME alloys of bronze; others are completely unforgable! As it tends to be expensive TEST an alloy before paying a lot of money for it. As I recall leaded bronzes will crumble as well as many others! A *dark* shop is handy for forging bronze at just when you see it barely glowing. A few seconds more and you may have a puddle. Lots of discussions on forging bronze out on the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Poet Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, ThomasPowers said: You can forge SOME alloys of bronze; others are completely unforgable! As it tends to be expensive TEST an alloy before paying a lot of money for it. As I recall leaded bronzes will crumble as well as many others! A *dark* shop is handy for forging bronze at just when you see it barely glowing. A few seconds more and you may have a puddle. Lots of discussions on forging bronze out on the net. I find that phosphorus bronze, the kind commonly used for casting works great. Another problem is that you need excellent hammer control due to bronze being incredibly soft at forging temperatures, almost like hitting wet clay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Silicon Bronze is another forgeable alloy IIRC. And what he said about the softness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogsoldat Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Another good source for blackpowder kits, parts, and ideas is Track of the Wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Snell Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 Hi all, thanks for ur thoughts. Just so we are clear we had no intention of rushing into the project hence the questions and appreciated guidance. It was to a replica, not even close to a working musket, and there is no intention at all to put a trigger mechanism in it. We appreciate the guidance and safety always first in our minds, hence the questions. Thanks to all, love the forum!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Glad to hear it is only a replica and not a working model. Perhaps you are paying attention I am used to many new people here jumping into the deep end and getting hurt. I combined your beginner questions with this firearm question and Emergency Medic mode kicked in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Another thing to remember, Steve, is that Jonathan lives in a very remote location (even more than Frosty!) and needs to plan his supply shopping well in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 So various types of bronze might be recycled from various boats and cast using simple techniques, being an Island I hope there are boat bits about... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Snell Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 You're all correct, never thought of boat pieces. I'm in oz at the mo so will seek some advice here too, first go nay just be some thin mild steel. no intention of the rifle ever firing, not even putting a trigger mechanism in for the very safety reason. This is more about teaching my boy to think outside the square, use his hands with confidence, learn and explore together and seeing things thru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Would a crossbow be legal? Much more fun to make something you can actually *use*. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Snell Posted February 2, 2017 Author Share Posted February 2, 2017 No there not. We are actually archers with compound and traditional. Hunt, commonwealth games etc. tried cross bow but didn't like them. Know what u mean tho. Beer bottle openers... now there's a tool lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 a tool one might not want one's kids too familiar with too soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted February 2, 2017 Share Posted February 2, 2017 Well, there's always soda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notownkid Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 "Dixie Gun Works" is a super source for muzzle loader parts pieces and ideas, should be available on line. Even if you just look. Used it a lot in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Those would be rootbeer bottle opener here but in Oz don't they ferment their Mother's milk for the babes? Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 On 2/2/2017 at 8:59 PM, Frosty said: Those would be rootbeer bottle opener here Frosty The Lucky. Traditional Root Beer recipes, ( carbonated with Brewers Yeast or Champagne Yeast ) are mildly alcoholic. And sadly, ... also somewhat carcinogenic. That's probably why "real" Root Beer tastes so much better that the pitiful, nasty imitation stuff, now available. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, ... I'm a "serious" Root Beet fan. Forty years ago, I did a through sampling of ALL available brands, ... and determined that Hires was the best in the world. Followed closely by "Moms", ... "Dads", ... and ( interestingly enough ) "Frosty". And life was good, ... until Big Brother determined that Sassafras Root ( the main ingredient ) was a mild carcinogen. As you all know, ... what that means, is if you force feed a lab rat a million times the normal "dose" of Sassafras bark, the rat will get cancer. ( Of course, ... if you don't, ... odds are, that the rat will still get cancer. ) But hey, ... what good is a Government Agency, if it can't drive small-time competitors out of Coca-Cola's marketplace ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rwolfe Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Jim Chamber's makes great locks. Take a look at this one: http://www.flintlocks.com/locks4.htm (round-faced English). It's suitable for a musket/fowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notownkid Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 2 hours ago, SmoothBore said: is if you force feed a lab rat a million times the normal "dose" of Sassafras bark, the rat will get cancer. Poor Rat! Isn't that cruelty to an animal? If you fed something a million P & Js long enough it would get something besides a stomach ache. One of the biggest mistruths in the world, "we are from the federal government and we here to help." Lord Help Us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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