Beltron50 Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 This is my first anvil. pretty big, got a great deal on it. I was speaking to a very nice gentlemen who turned me onto this website, he was king enough to give me some very useful information. Hes a blacksmith and does really nice work, awesome work actually.. Anyway we spoke for a while and i showed him a few photos. He said it was either a trenton or hay budden. the anvil has no distinguishing marks, only a couple letters or numbers on the right foot on the bottom. By the way, im new to blacksmithing, trying to learn the trade. Thanks Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 Trenton should have a caplet indentation on the bottom, HB an hourglass shaped one; but on older ones it is often worn down to invisibility. Please tell us more about the numbers! What side and what they are may identify it, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 I cant make them out. But if you look at the front view photo it ia on the bottom right. You can sort of see two numbers or letters popping out. They are spaced apart from eachother maybe by an inch. That is the only thing I can see on this anvil, the rest is very rusty. I assume its an earlier version because the guy I bought it from, most of his tools and equipment were from 1860-1890 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njanvilman Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 You need to take a wire brush to the side with the horn to the right. See if there is a logo of lettering there. Also do the front base area under the horn. Maybe you will see some lettering or number there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share Posted January 12, 2014 with oil or just soapy water? The man i spoke with said take a wet towel with acid and water and let it sit on that side with the horn to the right overnight, then wire brush it. I tried electrolysis but i think the anvil was too large in comparrison to the tub and anodes. Thanks Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted January 12, 2014 Share Posted January 12, 2014 sometimes just going over it with a wire brush and then shine a light from different angles can show things up or use a bit of chalk and rub it off so it just leaves it in the markings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judson Yaggy Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Extra handling hole in the foot is indicative of Peter Wright or one of the cast Swedish brands, I forget which one. Is there a flat spot along the top of the feet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaughnT Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Electrolysis takes time, and that time is dependent upon the size and placement of the anodes. When I did my last soak, I used any old scrap I could find, including rebar, and set my car charger to only 2 amps. It pulled the rust off overnight. Make sure your soap has sodium carbonate in it - doesn't take much. For a faster, but dirtier method, a wire brush and some water will get rid of the rust over the logo. To do the entire anvil would take a very long time, and a lot of sweat, so I'd revamp your electrolysis set up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkie Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Dust the sides and feet with some flour and brush off. Sometimes that shows a lot of detail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 Thank you guys for the help, a lot of great ideass i never knew about that ill try, im going to check for a flat spot under the foot too.. I have about 6 rebar placed around the bucket all connected, once the anvil is in the bucket of water it is about 3 inches away from the anodes. Do i need bigger anodes or does that not matter for electrolysis? Thanks again Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McPherson Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Time is dependent on power: I use a golf cart battery bank on the charger. I have to use a limiting switch to keep from boiling a 55 gallon drum! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arftist Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Definitely not a Peter Wright, clearly missing the flats on top of the feet. Doesn't apear cast either, though that could just be a pre-conception on my part. Brian, is that a pritchel cut off tool in the background? What is jammed in the prichel hole? Just curious, what are the sizes of the pritchel and hardy holes? The pritchel looks huge, but of course it could have been enlarged at any time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinton Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 The shape of the horn looks like a Trenton to me, but with no depression on the bottom as Thomas Powers indicated makes me wonder. The under side of the heel does look a little rough so mabe Arm & Hammer? But then I do not see any sign of a weld at the waist that I have noticed on most Arm & Hammer anvils. Using a wire brush mounted on an angle grinder and cleaning the rust off may show some markings. You want to look at the front foot also usually stamped there will be the serial number and maybe weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfudd Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Is there a number or any kind of stamping under the horn on either side of the handling hole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 Definitely not a Peter Wright, clearly missing the flats on top of the feet. Doesn't apear cast either, though that could just be a pre-conception on my part. Brian, is that a pritchel cut off tool in the background? What is jammed in the prichel hole? Just curious, what are the sizes of the pritchel and hardy holes? The pritchel looks huge, but of course it could have been enlarged at any time. I snapped a couple more photos. My phone isnt the greatest but its best I can do for now. The dimensions are: Length Overall - 25" Table Length - 14.5" Horn Length - 10.5" Width - 3.75" Hardie - 1" Pritchel - 3/4" Height - 9.5" http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag378/Beltron50/20140117_174116_zpsllpnri2r.jpg?t=1389998914 http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag378/Beltron50/20140117_174202_zpsclegpchk.jpg?t=1389998785 http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag378/Beltron50/20140117_174251_zpsl7kupmgu.jpg?t=1389998958 http://i1373.photobucket.com/albums/ag378/Beltron50/20140117_174303_zpslogc0qun.jpg?t=1389999007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 I posted the url of the photos. I got it all cleaned up and a lot of the rust off . I then gave it a good scrubbin with oil then a final coat of oil. Still cant see any markings whatsoever.... Can you guys see the photos ok? How do i get them directly on the page, a friend showed me but i forget.... -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Not near my AinA but ar not the handling holes in the feet a partial identifier? 5 handling holes in all??? 2 waist, 2 feet 1 middle of the base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon1 Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 American Wrought? Looks similar to the anvil I got daddy for Christmas. It had the same handling holes but the horn was not as long looking. Here is a link with pictures. '?do=embed' frameborder='0' data-embedContent>> My Trenton is 150 lbs and right at 30 inches long. How much dose your anvil weigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quint Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 The feet, bottom, and hole in the waste looks just like my sodefors. However the rest of the holes are exactly like my PW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beltron50 Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 Definitely not a Peter Wright, clearly missing the flats on top of the feet. Doesn't apear cast either, though that could just be a pre-conception on my part. Brian, is that a pritchel cut off tool in the background? What is jammed in the prichel hole? Just curious, what are the sizes of the pritchel and hardy holes? The pritchel looks huge, but of course it could have been enlarged at any time. Its a pritchel tool? Round bottom to it fits loosely in the pritchel, its a triangle shaped top and has a piece that hangs out and over the heel... There was a couple pritchel tools that came with it. -Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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