Danz409 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Hello everybody. i just made a trip to a nice little event that was going on in town and found a relay nice sword i couldn't help but to buy. its colors just had me. i'm relay interested in how the process to get them is done. i wouldn't mind messing around with that process if it isn't all that complex. the process is supposedly called "spectrum treatment" and i'm not exactly how it works. but id aether have to say its quenching it in some special juice at just the right time or some special clear-coat that gives it the effect. if anybody knows anything about this process in detail please inform me more on it. here is a image of a finish product with the special spectrum treatmentCopyrighted material has been removed I found the image - link here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Einhorn Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 I would suspect that for a $13.99 sword, that perhaps the term is the manufacturer's sales-speak they came up with instead of saying that they sprayed it with lacquer or other stuff to make it reflect light "real-good". Titanium Ninja-to Double Edge Full Tang Sword I could be wrong, often am. Mileage may very. Live long and prosper, may La Forge be with you. Dave E.Link to the photo fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I am not sure where the $13.99 price came from but I have no interest in learning anything that would let me sell for that price.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Ti nitride coated and anodized would do that. They claim it changes color with angle so it may have a prismatic grind of some sort. $14 is probably just about what material costs would be if made in America. Frosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Yup colour's are due to different voltages used to annodize Ti. As far as the blades go they and not well designed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danz409 Posted September 14, 2009 Author Share Posted September 14, 2009 very interesting. i wouldn't mind trying that. would require the same type of tools to do electro plating id assume. and yes. these was made in china so of course there going to be cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Do what? Ti nitride coat steel or anodize reactive metals? I don't know what's involved in Ti nitride coating. Anodizing reactive metals however is pretty straight forward. It works best using one of the specially designed power packs. then all you do is clean the metal thoroughly and using an electrode or brush or bath or some type of cool patterned or textured absorbant material soaked in saline solution apply DC current. The colors are vivid electric hues and there's nearly an infinate range of tones between no effect and blacked out. This is a link to a buddy of mine who started playing around with reactive metals niobium and titanium recently. He made a color chart at 5v. intervals, it's under "colors" at the right. Shimmering Dreams Jewelry Frosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Einhorn Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 (edited) I am not sure where the $13.99 price came from but I have no interest in learning anything that would let me sell for that price.... The link that I provided click here to see price of Titanium Ninja-to Double Edge Full Tang Sword is where I found that sword for $13.99 when I Googled on the term "spectrum treatment". If you click on that link you will find a web site that is selling the sword that started this discussion. When I don't understand a term I simply type it into Google as a search and find a definition. Typing the term "spectrum treatment" into Google only brought up the one web site. :D Edited November 27, 2010 by Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianbrazealblacksmith Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Looks like temper colors to me. They drew the temper with the heat source closest to the pointed end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I sure hope they are not temper colours as they are inverted---you want the higher temps toward the grip and the lower temps out toward the "using" end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 Whether temper or anodizing, it's an oxide layer. The reflection is from the steel underneath and the colors change with the thickness of the oxide. At different angles the apparent thickness changes giving the changing iridescent colors. Probably done in a chemical/electrical bath and drawn out of the bath slowly giving a longer exposure at the tip. Note the ad says stainless steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danz409 Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 nice find frosty i believe that's probably how they did it. not exactly where i can find power-supply that can run up more then 12v DC and have enough current to do this.. still would be a relay cool thing to at least try heres the chart frosty is talking aboutCopyrighted material removed I spoke with the copyright owner and got his permission to put a link click here to the color chart posted on his web site. Therefore the link is used with his knowledge and permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 So, did you get permission per the copyright notice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 nice find frosty i believe that's probably how they did it. not exactly where i can find power-supply that can run up more then 12v DC and have enough current to do this.. still would be a relay cool thing to at least try heres the chart frosty is talking about You can ask Michael where he bought his anodizing equipment, it was several hundred bucks at least. On the other hand his niobium and Ti jewelry is selling well enough I imagine it'll be paid for soon enough. Frosty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf's Den Armoury Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 nice find frosty i believe that's probably how they did it. not exactly where i can find power-supply that can run up more then 12v DC and have enough current to do this.. still would be a relay cool thing to at least try You can buy a titanium/niobium electrical anodizer from The Ring Lord (an online chainmaille supplies "store")The Ring Lord fairly reasonable price too for what it is. Only $185 David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radharc Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 Hi guys, it's me. Frosty, thanks for posting the link to my site. Um, Danz, did you not see on my color chart the words "Copyright 2009 Michael H Mara - Shimmering Dreams. May not be reproduced or used elsewhere without permission"? Your posting it here violates that copyright. Please remove the chart. Thanks, Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 Danz, did you not see on my color chart the words "Copyright 2009 Michael H Mara - Shimmering Dreams. May not be reproduced or used elsewhere without permission"? Your posting it here violates that copyright. Please remove the chart. The chart has been removed from the IForgeIron site by an IFI administrator. The IForgeIron guide lines state that no copyrighted material can be used without the copyright owners permission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radharc Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 Thanks, Glenn. I certainly don't mean to be mean about it, but am dead serious about copyrights. I put a HUGE amount of work into that chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 The IForgeIron site guide lines does NOT allow posting of copyrighted materials, it protects both of us. If you will notice, it was less than 2 hours from your post to the time the material was removed. I can not promise this response of each issue, but we do try to do our best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dodge Posted November 27, 2010 Share Posted November 27, 2010 I'm not sure I understand. The owner of the chart says he did NOT give permission to post the chart and yet it is still there but says "Link used with permission". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 I have reworded the original edit to the post. I spoke with the copyright owner and got his permission to put a link click here to the color chart posted on his web site. Therefore the link is used with his knowledge and permission. This way the copyright holder is satisfied, the chart is not used. The IFI site guide lines are still in place, no copyrighted material is used. Thanks to Michael 's understanding and helpfullness, the information is still available to the viewer via a link to Michael's web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 hey Mike, good to see you joined up here, sorry that a few people not paying attention got in the way, most of the people here are very courteous, and go out of their way to help. its only a few that dont pay attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radharc Posted November 28, 2010 Share Posted November 28, 2010 Hi Steve. How you doing? Yeah, Glenn called me after I protested the posting of the chart, and asked me if posting a link to it on my site was OK, I said sure. I don't mind people seeing the information, but as mentioned in the post, it IS copyrighted and may not be used without permission. I take Copyrights very seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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