wd&mlteach Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Here is the riddle: How much does a Mousehole style anvil weigh if it measures? height 12" face width 5" Length 25" I will post pictures when/if I get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Frog Posted August 22, 2014 Share Posted August 22, 2014 Mouse Hole anvils have different proportions than more modern London pattern anvils. I'm guessing the 200# ballpark, maybe even a bit more from a guess. Pictures might tell a lot more. .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judson Yaggy Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Given the squat proportions of your average Mousehole I'd guess it's in the 300# range. Assuming it's not missing any parts of course. BFrog's correct in saying pics will tell more... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 A riddle eh? I'll reply with a rhyme. On the tape's tale I'll not rail, For dimensions true will avail if accurate, one can make solid geometry's Calculation is simply done. However algebraics are not our wont, for a blacksmith's skills are simpler and more direct. lay it on a scale or simpler still hang it from a balance, same. Or just forget the games and weight it. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Ivan Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Sounds like it is in the 300-350 LB range to me. Just a guess though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Frog Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 300 seems high for a 25" Mouse Hole I'm thinking.... Could be wrong though, sure wouldn't be the first time. I've seen a few 24.5" X 4.5" face that were a little under 200#. Maybe mid-200's? But I'm hoping pictures will tell us the real result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd&mlteach Posted August 23, 2014 Author Share Posted August 23, 2014 I have only ever placed my hands and eyes on London patterns such as Trenton's, Peter Wrights, and Hay Buddens. So I do not have any experience with Mousehole-style English anvils, which is why I posed the original question. I have an appointment tomorrow to check this one out and see if it is worth purchasing. If I get it I will post more/better pictures. I called and talked to the fellow today and he said it has been outside in the weather for 20+ years which can be a little scary. Judging from the moss on the sides I believe it. I hope it is not pitted to death but it may be. Frosty thanks for the prose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elemental Metal Creations Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 My 135lb mousehole is about 9" high and 3" wide. The tale is broken off so I have no idea how long it was. One the size you are looking at will weigh a lot mor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted August 24, 2014 Share Posted August 24, 2014 I have only ever placed my hands and eyes on London patterns such as Trenton's, Peter Wrights, and Hay Buddens. So I do not have any experience with Mousehole-style English anvils, which is why I posed the original question. I have an appointment tomorrow to check this one out and see if it is worth purchasing. If I get it I will post more/better pictures. I called and talked to the fellow today and he said it has been outside in the weather for 20+ years which can be a little scary. Judging from the moss on the sides I believe it. I hope it is not pitted to death but it may be.image.jpgimage.jpg Frosty thanks for the prose. Your welcome but I'm not really a proser I was pretending. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausfire Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 So did ya get it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris john Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 guessing around 235 lbs Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Bill Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 That is a gorgeous piece. If you get it PLEASE be advised by the experts here BEFORE doing any cleaning! Seems I've seen posts about irreparable damage that can be caused by too-aggressive "cleaning", i.e. wire brushes used on angle grinders, abrasives, etc. Best of luck on a purchase! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ironmike Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I roll out one of my Buffalo scales, Set it on and weigh it, Or put two on it, weigh both, then take off one check it again and deduct the one and you have it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Keyes Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Steel is (approximately) 0.28 lb per cubic in, or 425 lb per cubic ft. The dimensions you give are more or less the dimensions of my 200# Fisher. Given a bit more mass because of the squattier profile mid-200#'s sounds about right. I'd be surprised if it came in 300# or above. Just my .02, adjusted for inflation. Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Ivan Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Geoff, This may be wrong but in my years in the iron workers union, we were taught that steel (A-36 at least) generally weighed at least 490 LBS per cubic ft and .28 LBS per cubic inch. Which was how we figured the weight of beams and columns and which size choker to chose to hoist with. Don't mean to nit pick, but that was my personal experience with weight of steel. (wrought may be different...) For the OP...do we have an answer to this riddle yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Keyes Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Musta miss hit a key on my calculator. a cubic foot at .28 a cubic inch comes in at 483.84 lbs, near enough to 490, I knew that :lol:. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Greetings WD, " 1-3-7 " My 2c Forge on and make beautiful things Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wd&mlteach Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 And the answer is . . . 232 pounds or 2 * 0 * 8 I have not weighed it yet as my wife's bathroom scale is a fancy looking one made from bamboo. It does not look anvil friendly and neither is my wife. Actual weight will be still a mystery until I find a new scale to call my own. Also, the measurements have changed from what the seller listed. The face is 5" wide, length from horn to heel is 25 3/4", and the height is 11 1/8". Chris John I believe was the closest, nice job. Thanks for all of the replies folks. I almost did not get this anvil the fellow selling it called me and told me he had another person offering more than what it was listed for. I already knew I was going to offer less than what he was asking so I called him back and let it go. A week goes by and he calls me back and asks if I am still interested. Yep, I went today and picked it up. I knocked off the rust with a twisted wire brush and hit it with a coat of linseed oil. It is far from a perfect anvil but it is quite usable and in my mind worth the $200. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausfire Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 For $200 you got the bargain of the year. Well done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 2, 2014 Share Posted September 2, 2014 I'd call that perfect enough for $200. SWEET score! The discrepensey figuring steel weight by volume is the fact that a cu/in of mild steel is actually a 4-5 place decimal but we commonly round it to 0.28lb/cu/in as good enough for most uses. Gauge is calculated on the weight of pure iron at 500lb/cu' and gauges are the weight per sq/ft of specific thicknesses. It doesn't calculate with steel as it's less massive so we determine gauge as a thickness. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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