caotropheus Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Got this vice, very rusty, movable parts seized in place except for the screw and "nut". It weighs 40 kg. The vice seems to had been used with care and good maintenance. Apparently, there are no bends or dings, no missing parts or cracks. It looks like that someone stopped using the vice and just removed it outdoors and stayed there for years exposed to the elements. The screw is in mint condition and jaws are parallel. The hole in the screw's head, where the handle passes, is fairly wide (even oval) for the handle diameter, pointing for extensive use of the vice. Also the pivot pin (yes a pin, not a screw) is secure by a wedge, that is missing. One thing I do not understand is that why are there 2 claws in the thrust washer 90 degrees in relation to keys that fit perfectly into slots on the movable jaw. If you guys have some information on this, please let me know. One final question, what is the manufacturer and how old do you thing this vice is? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heph Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 The fork at the washer is there to prevent rotation, you are missing a pin above the handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Thank you. Do you have detailed pictures of the components? Also from the inside, there are holes over there I suppose to secure some sort of shield to the threaded rod. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heph Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 The front of the pin has 2 flats for a wrench. The pinned pivot bolt is unusual, there should be a large rivet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 Thank you very much for your kind help. I will try to reproduce those components. I managed to take apart the vice (I love my flypress!) and these are the holes in the movable jaw. Probably the bolt broke inside the jaw? after cleaning I will try to figure out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 It looks like a real work horse, just needs some TLC. It's a new one on me, first I've seen of that design. One question, what type of spring to open the jaw and where does it go? From one picture it kinda looks like might be a V spring inside the pivot box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 7, 2020 Author Share Posted February 7, 2020 Sorry for the lousy picture, it was raining! The spring is about 20 cm long. The guy I bought the vice from, had few more modern (and much more expensive) German leg vices and indeed they have the "V" shaped spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 After some rust cleaning electrolysis you can see details on how the vice was forged. These pictures were taken before applying oil on the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 One of the great things about real wrought iron---you can tell how an old piece was made by the "flow lines". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 14, 2020 Author Share Posted February 14, 2020 So Thomas Powers, you think I have here a wrought iron vice? To confirm, I can always put a portion inside acid an see what happens... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 14, 2020 Share Posted February 14, 2020 Yes with the flow lines show in the forgings I would think it was real wrought iron; probably not the lowest grade either. You could touch the bottom of the leg to a grinder and check the spark trail too. Seems like a lot if not most of my older vises were real wrought iron with steeled jaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 Finally finished all the cleaning and reassembled the vice. Electrolysis took a long time. Upon better inspection, you can see the grain structure of the wrought iron. The jaws are parallel but slightly misaligned in the height, about 1 mm and you can see a gap between the jaws when fully closed. I forged a wedge to lock the pivot pin And I welded a stopper for the thrust washer (if you are a purist, look away now!) The vice feels very solid and the operation is very smooth. The movable jaw does not wiggle at all sideways. Hope you enjoyed the project, I am only sorry I do not have/had wrought iron to make the missing pieces. How old do you guys think this vice is? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 As the moving jaw travels on an arc the face is angled so there is supposed to be one point where the faces are vertical and parallel. So almost all of my vices show the slight gap at the bottom of the jaws when fully closed. The ones that don't; show evidence of being reworked by folks who didn't know that it was a feature rather than a bug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caotropheus Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 I tried to leave the vice as close to the original version as possible. Sorry purists for welding the stopper pin for the thrust washer and plug weld the holes that were there. I think I am still missing two components, shields, one for the screw (like Heph showed us) and one for the thrust washer like in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUeL3P2h3Yk min 0:17 and 1:51. With time I will fix that. First lets go ahead and fabricate a stand for the vice. Guys, the gap I am referring to when the jaws are closed, is from top view. The edges of the jaws touch but there is a small gap (less than 1 mm) in the middle, you can pass there a piece of paper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc1 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Considering that this vices are designed to be bashed ad libitum with large hammers, a gap of that magnitude is equivalent to a couple of missing hairs from the back of a gorilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Ah, the wear gap, if you commonly use it for stuff smaller than that you have an issue!---check with a good OCD therapist! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natkova Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 That model look like mine , especialy "moustache" part where vise is bolted to base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWISTEDWILLOW Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 natkova! I’ll never see another post vise that has that style mount without thinking of your analogy! from here forth i will start calling those moustache mounts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobtiel1 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Those mounts are common on German patterned vises. I see them being called swallow tail vises around here. But I don't know any smiths who call them that. on German vises here you see either this type of mounting bracket, a simple plate, or the spade finial, in that order of frequency. ~Jobtiel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natkova Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 TWISTEDWILLOW Smith that sold me vise named it moustaches. And i call it like that. Guys i find more info on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWISTEDWILLOW Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Moustaches mounting plates they ARE! Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Three ways to mount a vise. Mustache Columbian Modified U-bolt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWISTEDWILLOW Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I like that modified ubolt idea, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Ubolt mounts are common and work well. Muffler clamps work well too. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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