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The ones I have gone too are variable; my favorite has things at above new price to absolutely ridiculously cheap----unused roll of HEAVY grounding wire US$5????????. I also got my 10' spiral seamed ductwork for the forge chimney at that one for $4 for 10' section.

While the one in the town next door is basically a thrift store full of household junk and very little building materials.

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I keep checking the duct pipe but so far nothing I can use. Also the shelf they keep the 2" black iron pipe. Every time there is a usable piece I grab it because they price that stuff cheap. There always seem to be more small old tools thrown into the mix that usually look like they were off a fleamarket table. I never know if the price is what they want or if it was just on it before so I'll pass on some things but usually if I make up a box or pile of rusty old tools they will price it low. 

Resale stores like that are just like fleamarkets where you have to just bargain hunt and know what stuff goes for. 

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I am currently working on a Hugh McDonald hot meta l roller. With that said my neighbor gave me this today.IMG_3945s.thumb.jpg.ee5376aebe54c4d411085e79a0efa962.jpg

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Now if you are wondering what it is then let me do away with the mystery. It is a home made horse walker. Just look at the pully wheel and chain and sprockets. This is the missing link to my hot metal roller. 

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Question, this followed me home, does anyone know what it is?  It was about two dollars. I thought and was told it was a stone or concrete chisel but I have been looking through pictures of various types of chisels and haven't seen anything like this. Any idea what type of steel it could be?  From what I gather, there are only two or so common tool steels I just don't know which it may be. Knowing what it is in the first place should help.

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Rock drill. Hit with a hammer, twist, hit , twist , hit........

More than likely a medium carbon steel to be tough without being brittle.

 

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Also known as a star drill.

BTW I can name over a dozen tool steels off the top of my head and know of many many more...

(Like W1, W2, O1, H-13, S-7, S-1, 4340, 1050, 5160, 1095, 1084, 4140, ...I've forged all of these before  + D2, 440C, A2, Ti CP 1&2, Ag--fine and 925, copper, bronze, Al....

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And that is why I don't trust the internet Thomas, I am looking for some reference books.  Thanks for the help.  I knew it had something to do with rocks. 

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On ‎10‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 11:07 PM, MG-42 said:

I am currently working on a Hugh McDonald hot meta l roller. With that said my neighbor gave me this today.

That is awesome. 

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On 10/5/2017 at 3:19 AM, dagr8tim said:

Could you use say a 220 tombstone welder as your power supply for something like that?

NO. The wall outlet might have enough wattage though.

I think everybody thinks of modifying a welder to make an induction heater, I sure did I have a Ranger portable in the shop that has high frequency AC capabilities for TIG welding and 9kw  to back it. I could buy a 50 amp 240v single phase induction welder and plug it in the Ranger's 240v outlet though. That's about it for using a welder as power for induction heating. A Tombstone isn't even close.

Frosty The Lucky.

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The induction heaters we had at work were 30Kw , but it is the Hz that does the heating. We ran in the KHz ranges. The smaller the part the more Hz needed. Some units run in the GHz range. 

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Think I can use the star drills for anything, aside from boring holes in rock?  I ask as they are prevalent, cheap, and in varying sizes. I have a bunch lying around. Im thinking they could be nice knives. Hoewever, if it is tool steel i don't know if it can do anything longer than a knife without shattering, such as a foot, foot and a half chopper. This is down the road, I have a skillet and oodels of s hooks to make first. 

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Punches and chisels can be turned into..........punches and chisels! But with different ends suited for specific tasks. You already know that is a suitable steel to use, and don't need to waste time and energy on worthless mystery metal, only to end up with scrap. A coffee can full of decorative punches is a wonderful thing to have available, or to sell and trade. The skills learned in making them will push you further down the path to metal mastery.

If you have suitable tongs or vise grips, short punches weigh less for traveling,  can be used at the anvil, as well as with power hammers or treadle hammers. One long hand star drill might make a half dozen stubby punches. Or one good hammer eye drift.

If you want cheap medium carbon stock for making into decent quality blades without spending time changing round into flat first, look for carpenters pry bars at flea markets. Heck get a half dozen identical ones on sale at HF and spend a weekend on mastering one common steel.

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Those are awesome punches.  I do intend soon to make a couple stamps.  I do want some wire inlay chisels.  Although I wouldn't say I would be wasting my time making round into flat.  I need to work on precision, patience, and even hammering which I cant think of a better way with the materials I currently have.  It is also just something I feel that I need to attempt, mostly so I understand how bad of an idea it is so I never do it again. I'll use rebar though for that particular project, I know it will be awful, but just to say it was once rebar.  It'll be a nice shop hanger.

I do have a bunch of flea market pry bars and large files, thanks.  No work today so once I finish painting I have like six things to go make.

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I'd expect a difference between old one from the granite quarries and new ones from the big box stores.  Might see if you can find an old timer who could talk about the old ones...

I bought a new one to put up the wall around the perimeter of the carport when I was converting it to my wife's spinning studio.  I was out here working before the move (when school ended) and so had few tools.  The new one mushroomed the striking end on a regular basis. Lots of holes with about 2000 blows per hole. The builder has lived in this house and everything was done to his idea of perfection.  Lets just say that the walls I installed didn't notice the 80 MPH straight line winds we had the first spring after they were up...

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On 10/11/2017 at 5:50 AM, John McPherson said:

Punches and chisels can be turned into..........punches and chisels!

My vote goes for the best post of the month for this one! - Thank you John!

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Our weekly trip to the trash compactor's steel bin. Something cut off a piece of equipment made from 3/8 plate and weighs 60 lbs. Plus some misc. pieces of scrap and two pieces of 3/16 plate weighing 45 lbs. and a piece of 3/8 round stock. Not bad for the $1.00 I spend to get rid of our household trash.:)

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20 hours ago, Daswulf said:

Still an awesome find. 

Better than just construction trash I normally dig up

 

nice score iron dragon

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1 hour ago, Irondragon Forge & Clay said:

Our weekly trip to the trash compactor's steel bin. Something cut off a piece of equipment made from 3/8 plate and weighs 60 lbs. Plus some misc. pieces of scrap and two pieces of 3/16 plate weighing 45 lbs. and a piece of 3/8 round stock. Not bad for the $1.00 I spend to get rid of our household trash.:)

You have me curious now about the transfer station near me. We don't have a dump near by, instead a collection of dumpsters that eventually get hauled to the dump. They might have some goodies there. I may have to take a day off work so I can go by there and check it out. 

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That's what our compactor is, a transfer station that takes garbage, steel, tires, etc. When you go to visit them take a box of dougnuts and chat it up with the staff about doing blacksmithing. You never know if they have a steel bin (rollon dumpster) they may let you scrounge in it. If they do take something you have made as a thank you.

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My local transfer station is right next to the scrapyard; but they still had folks dumping steel there. I was once given a bunch of old real wrought iron wagon parts that had been dumped there. (they would wait till the got a load and drive it the 200' to the scrapyard gate and sell it.)

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