Hardie or hardy

[Timothy Miller]

My vote is for hardie I post as evidence a Hay-Budden catalog from 1914/15.  http://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/18789-hay-budden-anvil-catalogue-from-191415/?hl=%2Bbudden+%2Bcatalogue  Where they repeatedly use the word spelled as hardie.  In my defense I have been home sick for the past couple of days and have nothing better to do.

[John McPherson]

Hardy {from Old French hardi "bold", past participle of hardir "to become bold"}

 

Or, in the words of Mark Twain: "I pity the man that can only think of a few ways to spell a word."

 

(Huked awn fonix wurked fore mi.) :rolleyes: 

[Jim Coke]

Yep your right it's HARDIE Late night and I can't spell anyway WOOPS Jim

[Timothy Miller]

Well Google spell check wants you to spell it hardy they put a red line under it if you spell it hardie.  I'm just curious as to peoples opinion. 

[Bob S]

I spell it both ways.

 

I have wondered tho if the "reese" hitches were hardy/hardie inspired?

[ciladog]

Both are correct according to Merriam-Webster

 

  har·die noun ˈhärdē

plhardies

Definition of HARDIE

: a blacksmith's fuller or chisel having a square shank for insertion into a hole in the anvil

Variants of HARDIE

har·die or har·dyˈhärdē

 

[Dale M.]

Both are correct according to Merriam-Webster

 

  har·die noun ˈhärdē

plhardies

 

 

Definition of HARDIE

: a blacksmith's fuller or chisel having a square shank for insertion into a hole in the anvil

Variants of HARDIE

har·die or har·dyˈhärdē

 

Get's my vote....

Dale

[ThomasPowers]

Predates the codification of spelling I bet and with local, regional and national variations I don't think it matters much

not like Bic, Beak, Bickern, Bickiron....horn

[Timothy Miller]

Predates the codification of spelling I bet and with local, regional and national variations I don't think it matters much

not like Bic, Beak, Bickern, Bickiron....horn

Can anyone provide a source that predates WWII where hardy is used?

[Jacques]

I voted for Hardie.

 

But then I have the same problem with Vise / Vice.

[iron woodrow]

americans spell a lot of things wrong :P

[Pulsepushthepopulace]

I voted because I like checking boxes...

 

 

How'dyah say it in Esperanto?

[Steve McCarthy]

Can anyone provide a source that predates WWII where hardy is used?

 

Blacksmith Practice

EM 862

War Department Education Manual

Chapter 18

1939

[Timothy Miller]

Blacksmith Practice

EM 862

War Department Education Manual

Chapter 18

1939

Sorry Steve WW2 started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland.  If your reference was from 1938 I could be convinced.  :P

[Steve McCarthy]

Sorry Steve WW2 started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland.  If your reference was from 1938 I could be convinced.  :P

So you really think the War Dept could could write, illustrate, edit, and publish a 21 chapter manual all in one year?  :(

You never spent time in the military did ya?

[Steve McCarthy]

Plain and Ornamental Forging

Ernst Schwarzkopf 1916

page 18 "tool hole"

page 29 "hardie"

 

Hand Forging and Wrought Iron Ornamental Work

Thomas Googerty 1911

page 112 "the square hole in the anvil"

[Jim Coke]

Greetings guys,

 

I still think it was named after Wiley E. Hardie...the Roadrunners buddy     BEEEP    BEEEEP

[ThomasPowers]

I skimmed Moxon yesterday, published in 1703 and did not mention a hardie or hardy or show on in the engraving of the shop.

 

He did mention taking care not to cut the steel on the edge of the anvil when making shoulders...

 

I'll check with the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language as it lists first recorded usage in it.

[Alan Evans]

 
I'll check with the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language as it lists first recorded usage in it.

Is that Oxford Miss. Mass. Or the 51st state? Could make a difference....though I guess it hardlie matters.

[Neil Blythin]

Forging
by John Jernberg
Published on 1918

... In the tail there is a square hole and a circular hole. The former is called the "hardie hole", the latter the "spud hole".

This is an American book, published in Chicago.

[Alan Evans]

I have always known the round hole as a 'pritchel' hole never heard of spud before...

 

The Practical Metalworker edited by Bernard E Jones originally published in 1900 refers to the Anvil Set or Hardy and illustrates a cold set in the hardy hole.

[Bentiron1946]

Some say hardie and some say hardy and some just say that there square hole in the anvil but no matter what you call it it sure is a handy thing to have and I thank the man that came up with the idea, he done good when he put it there to hold my tooling.

[Alan Evans]

In the The Blacksmith's Craft the book published by the Rural Industries Bureau /Council for Small Industries in Rural Areas in 1952 the illustration of an anvil describes it as a 'Tool Hole'.

 

In the text it describes the two holes in the anvil... "the square or hardy hole and the round or punching hole. It is a good plan to chamfer the edges of the square hole so that the hardy sits tight to the anvil face; this is also a convenience when using the hole for setting slightly curved bars."

 

In the tools section a few pages on it has:-

 

"HARDIES

Hardies are chisels which fit into the square hole in the anvil, the work being driven down onto them. Some smiths make one fairly stout hardie and use it for both hot and cold work, but it is better practice to have two separate ones suitably shaped and tempered for each purpose."

 

So they used all the variations within a few pages...and not just 'y' for singular and 'ies' for the plural...

[macbruce]

Well Google spell check wants you to spell it hardy they put a red line under it if you spell it hardie. 

Well, when the on again off again spell checker works here ''blacksmithing'' always gets the red line..... :rolleyes: .......I'm gonna write in a vote for Neil's ''Spud Hole''  Yawn......... :mellow:

[Frank Turley]

Frank and Joe Hardy of the Hardy Boys book series might know the answer.