Timothy Miller Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 My vote is for hardie I post as evidence a Hay-Budden catalog from 1914/15. http://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/18789-hay-budden-anvil-catalogue-from-191415/?hl=%2Bbudden+%2Bcatalogue Where they repeatedly use the word spelled as hardie. In my defense I have been home sick for the past couple of days and have nothing better to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McPherson Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Hardy {from Old French hardi "bold", past participle of hardir "to become bold"} Or, in the words of Mark Twain: "I pity the man that can only think of a few ways to spell a word." (Huked awn fonix wurked fore mi.) :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Yep your right it's HARDIE Late night and I can't spell anyway WOOPS Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 17, 2013 Author Share Posted March 17, 2013 Well Google spell check wants you to spell it hardy they put a red line under it if you spell it hardie. I'm just curious as to peoples opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob S Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 I spell it both ways. I have wondered tho if the "reese" hitches were hardy/hardie inspired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciladog Posted March 17, 2013 Share Posted March 17, 2013 Both are correct according to Merriam-Webster har·die noun ˈhärdē plhardies Definition of HARDIE : a blacksmith's fuller or chisel having a square shank for insertion into a hole in the anvil Variants of HARDIE har·die or har·dyˈhärdē Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dale M. Posted March 18, 2013 Share Posted March 18, 2013 Both are correct according to Merriam-Webster har·die noun ˈhärdē plhardies Definition of HARDIE : a blacksmith's fuller or chisel having a square shank for insertion into a hole in the anvil Variants of HARDIE har·die or har·dyˈhärdē Get's my vote.... Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Predates the codification of spelling I bet and with local, regional and national variations I don't think it matters much not like Bic, Beak, Bickern, Bickiron....horn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 20, 2013 Author Share Posted March 20, 2013 Predates the codification of spelling I bet and with local, regional and national variations I don't think it matters much not like Bic, Beak, Bickern, Bickiron....horn Can anyone provide a source that predates WWII where hardy is used? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I voted for Hardie. But then I have the same problem with Vise / Vice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iron woodrow Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 americans spell a lot of things wrong :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulsepushthepopulace Posted March 20, 2013 Share Posted March 20, 2013 I voted because I like checking boxes... How'dyah say it in Esperanto? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McCarthy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Can anyone provide a source that predates WWII where hardy is used? Blacksmith Practice EM 862 War Department Education Manual Chapter 18 1939 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted March 21, 2013 Author Share Posted March 21, 2013 Blacksmith Practice EM 862 War Department Education Manual Chapter 18 1939 Sorry Steve WW2 started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. If your reference was from 1938 I could be convinced. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McCarthy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Sorry Steve WW2 started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland. If your reference was from 1938 I could be convinced. :P So you really think the War Dept could could write, illustrate, edit, and publish a 21 chapter manual all in one year? :( You never spent time in the military did ya? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve McCarthy Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Plain and Ornamental Forging Ernst Schwarzkopf 1916 page 18 "tool hole" page 29 "hardie" Hand Forging and Wrought Iron Ornamental Work Thomas Googerty 1911 page 112 "the square hole in the anvil" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Coke Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 Greetings guys, I still think it was named after Wiley E. Hardie...the Roadrunners buddy BEEEP BEEEEP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I skimmed Moxon yesterday, published in 1703 and did not mention a hardie or hardy or show on in the engraving of the shop. He did mention taking care not to cut the steel on the edge of the anvil when making shoulders... I'll check with the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language as it lists first recorded usage in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted March 21, 2013 Share Posted March 21, 2013 I'll check with the Oxford Dictionary of the English Language as it lists first recorded usage in it. Is that Oxford Miss. Mass. Or the 51st state? Could make a difference....though I guess it hardlie matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Blythin Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Forging by John Jernberg Published on 1918 ... In the tail there is a square hole and a circular hole. The former is called the "hardie hole", the latter the "spud hole". This is an American book, published in Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 I have always known the round hole as a 'pritchel' hole never heard of spud before... The Practical Metalworker edited by Bernard E Jones originally published in 1900 refers to the Anvil Set or Hardy and illustrates a cold set in the hardy hole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentiron1946 Posted March 22, 2013 Share Posted March 22, 2013 Some say hardie and some say hardy and some just say that there square hole in the anvil but no matter what you call it it sure is a handy thing to have and I thank the man that came up with the idea, he done good when he put it there to hold my tooling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Evans Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 In the The Blacksmith's Craft the book published by the Rural Industries Bureau /Council for Small Industries in Rural Areas in 1952 the illustration of an anvil describes it as a 'Tool Hole'. In the text it describes the two holes in the anvil... "the square or hardy hole and the round or punching hole. It is a good plan to chamfer the edges of the square hole so that the hardy sits tight to the anvil face; this is also a convenience when using the hole for setting slightly curved bars." In the tools section a few pages on it has:- "HARDIES Hardies are chisels which fit into the square hole in the anvil, the work being driven down onto them. Some smiths make one fairly stout hardie and use it for both hot and cold work, but it is better practice to have two separate ones suitably shaped and tempered for each purpose." So they used all the variations within a few pages...and not just 'y' for singular and 'ies' for the plural... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbruce Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Well Google spell check wants you to spell it hardy they put a red line under it if you spell it hardie. Well, when the on again off again spell checker works here ''blacksmithing'' always gets the red line..... :rolleyes: .......I'm gonna write in a vote for Neil's ''Spud Hole'' Yawn......... :mellow: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Turley Posted March 23, 2013 Share Posted March 23, 2013 Frank and Joe Hardy of the Hardy Boys book series might know the answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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