jeremy k Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 jk - hello my friend:) lovely picture -i really like those - is that middle bit just decorative then? Beth - I'd say yes, decoration. Some day I will have to give that element a try. - JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 The internet speed today is abhorrent,i'll be lucky if this sends at all Ciladog,i'm sure that you're right!The old dyslexia takes it's toll-thanks for the correction Jeremy K,thanks,that's the element all right,really appreciate the picture(Phil's hard copy of Plummer went astray,and the electronic version is incomplete).Such element,repeated,was used to fill the space in many old trivets/grills.Do you know,by chance,if that was colonial work,or something that people brought with them from Europe? Beth,what a cool thing to've done-a real job!Fantastic!Don't know what to say other than i'm very happy for you! The "Fox" deal is something that i must've missed,everyone else seems to know what's up,is it somewhere else on here?(Each page change for me equals the time it takes to roll a sigarete,and smoke it almost entirely,+/- 15 min.)) I'll try to look up that WTF company(funny name,that ),congratulations on such a great thing,Beth,it must've made you feel validated,in many ways,right on! Tell more about your rifle-making friend,is he an engraver? Thomas,our Catholic "cathedral" here in Galena is but a log cabin,but i'll see if they have all the different spaces like the sanctuaries and such,and see what i can peddle there :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 jake firstly here is the said fox - my first bronze cast friend.... also here is my friends website - im glad your interested in him becasue he is very interesting! and very innovative. his only fault is that he chats way too much, and coming from me, that is truly something to behold.... his website is 'specialist rifle services" he is called steve bowers and he is known world over which is amazing as he works next door to me! he is a very humble and fabulous man... have a look - all his techno stuff may mean something to you lot. all i know is he builds great rifles that occasionally i get to try down the range at the farm. he has a friend who is actually in the same shed as me who does his stocks for him now and he is also very talented and precise - you might not ( i dont) beleive the money people will spend on stocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! all very intriguing for me thankyou for your uninhibited hapiness for me actually having some proper work, thankyou very much jake. ye sit does validate to a certain degree,and to even have made that comment you clearly have some understanding about what it is like to need that stuff ... wtf is a daft name for the company - its what the.. furniture oddly enough - i think its an american thing?? you have to type in equillure tho or you wont get my job - there is another company with similar name i think. lastly - im amazed its taking you 15 minutes to smoke a roll up - either your smoking very long ones or your not concentrating and your letting it go out all the time or they are very fat like the camberwell carrot. please tell me youve seen withnail and i? the funniest british film ever - although i expect it is british humour.. i no longer smoke but mine only used to last approx 7 minutes. maybe i was just too keen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy k Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Jake - According to the book - those meat forks were of a European design, and that early Southeastern Pennsylvania Settlers were German Immigrants who did import some items as such. About all I know of this Jake. THe book is a good picture reference of fine metalwork. - JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesteryearforge Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 Of cabbages and kings ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Beth,i finally looked at your fox.Looks like a happy fox,and also looks made by a happy,well-adjusted person!Very TACTILE kind of a sculpture,looks like it was built to be crawled over and played on. The small picture is tiny,and the big one VERY big,actually hard to see,but looks like you've done a fantastic job of it,congratulations! Jeremy,thanks again.As soon as the picture got loaded,i,of course,read the caption.So,i spent the day playing at a 18th century Frenchman...It was cool...kinda-sorta...No,it was decidedly cool. I bit off as usual,way more than i could chew.Ended up 10 hours at the forge,and no fuel for tomorrow,but,i got 'er done. I'll post some photos of what i used,i think most folks will find it amusing(all WI,some of it ridiculously old.The long carriage bolts came from a Gold Rush era mining camp,but they were old,salvaged crap then,stored in a can). There was only one unhappy welding episode,among hours of welding,all in all it's a good design,and quite doable.The MAJOR screw-up i've my lovely brain to thank for:I reversed the order of long/short pieces,and welded it that way before realising the mistake.So,the "heart within a heart",the point of the whole exercise,could not be Changed tack and just curled the now-orphaned set of tines just anyhoo. The effect of the whole is messy,over-curliqued,baroque,in short.What did we have in France in 18th cent.,Marie Antoinette?I think that she might've liked stuff like that OK,the preject definitely was a waste of time and fuel.BUT,it was good in many respects as well.I know a little more about what makes iron tick,and a bit about this perticular design.Looking forward to making a classy fork,now,with more hope and less trepidation before the technical difficulties(a long way of saying:Chalk it up to experinence ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 jake i love it!! its so OTT and i relly love it - not a waste of time at all.... i cant believe your welds its is so ace that this can be done in a fire i just think its brilliant!! i rate the simplicity of what is needed in terms of facilities /materials to achieve this ... full admiration and respect i def think you should persue more like this... i think also that the heart is the perfect shape of all time and through antiquity ect its beautiful in every way and perfection, and i personally have it everywhere where i live, two even on tattoos atually on me. mr fox has one on the front of his left ankle.. sory thatthe pictures were a bit rubbish -ive only just worked out how to post them on here - will work on the size thing... am also grinning from ear to ear that your using gold rush era iron for your fork... too groovy! you may not have the history we do here where you lot are (usa mainly) but you do have extraordinary romance in the history you do have. when i was a kid the whole gold rush thing was so exotic and appealing! also fur traders loggers indians (do we say native americans now? no offence intended) i read a lot of western related stories and i still love the setting and the imagery yesteryearforge what did you mean about cabbages and kings?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 in picture three - the hot one - it looks like some kind of mythical mermaid/squid! love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 So,you tattood your fox? What is the tattoo of,if i may ask? And in general,what are you going to do with the fox,is it to be installed somewhere in particular? You never need to worry about political correctness here,the indians are terribly outspoken,racist and proud of it,to a shocking degree(when i get to town i often forget myself and mortify people not used to village scene).It's perfectly ok to joke about,say,"the only good injun-is a dead injun" here,and the other way,like "white man speaks with a forked tongue".And the most durogatory term ever is "white school teacher",it means something like more money than brains,or someone who's not in any real world.A colonialist,in short. I keep getting to busy to properly answer many of the things that come up in this curious thread,they just blow by...I'll see if i can post some photos of my Killer Camelback,it's quite a monstrous abortion!Modified by the father and son team of machinists with a tranny out of a '53 Chevy(best as we can tell),so that since it has a low and high range,it now has 8 speeds,6 forward and 2 back(for them left-handed holes )The thing's not easy to shift,but is a blast to use(if/when i vanish,you can safely conclude that it ate me up).It's #4 Morse,and i have bits up to 2" for it... As to my latest exercise in futility,well,i'm proud of myself as far as my attempts to speak in a foregn tongue,if you will:To grab remnants off of the floor,hot-cut them and weld them together(into shapeless turds ).As usual,i'm falling behind on planning,calculating,designing,anything to do with discipline,in short.Which is NOT laudable,in any practice of any trade. So,come November,the time of my big(maybe final)showdown with the Public,i'm not sure what i'll be able to say,with the odd assortment of strange objects that are beginning to stack up. I guess that i'm going for variety,as in:"Look what can be POSSIBLE,in forging".But picking on new to me design/technique doesn't,exactly,do wonders to the QUALITY of the finished(what's that?)product... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWHII Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 I have been following this thread from the begining. It is reading like a great novel, but with pictures and I look forward each day to see what happens next. Jake, that fork is over the top in my book and what makes me add my 2 cents to this great thread you have started. I love the way your mind works. I wish I could only find my way through the clutter in my mind to see a end result like yours. Made from some long ago discarded bolts. I guess being in the bush for as long as you have been, makes you appreciate the simple things at hand. To make the beautiful pieces you have shown from discarded steel. Making your own charcoal to forge with is a true testament what a sourdough blacksmith like yourself in the bush of Alaska can do. Your life style is what a lot of what people dream of doing, and never have the courage to give up all the modern conveniences of todays rat race. Way to go man! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 harold - a sourdough blacksmtih!!! thats exactly what jake is, and more! i love that definition. i infact by some sureal twist of fate and circumsatnce i have a loaf of sourdough now straoight out of the oven - so i know exactly what im talking about in the bread line- even if not the blacksmith line! im so glad you have taken some pleasure from the thread becasue i have a lot of fun engaging in this topic/topics.. dont abandon me back to the talk of anvil prices guys.... jakae - the fox is not tattooed as such, just has a heart on his ankle which is the same as one of my actual tattoos. so on him it is kind of different in that it is raised up and blackish against his green fur as for where he will go, who knows! i would love to sell him but its not very easy - i am taking him to a gallery on tuseday and i will try to get the man to have him. if we get on he will have him, if we dont he wont. if by some magic someone turns up and likes him enopugh to pay for him, then i will sell him, if not i wont.. he may end up as a very expensive gamble that did not pay of f and end up in my garden. however it paid off hugely interms of my mental well being and my contentment levels so while it cost me dear in hard earnded cash to make, i m finding it hard to care too much. my children will still eat. please do post pictures of you killer camelback am MORE than curiousabout such a multi geared invention! so jake i need to know about what sounds like a very stressful show down in front of the public and probably your last??!!? sounds like you are going to the gallows!! i know you said abpout a demo? and you werent sure what you could get away with showing or something - please share with us the trauma and maybe we can help?? i will certainly try to encourage an dlift your spirits on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 23, 2011 Author Share Posted July 23, 2011 Harold,thank you,you're entirely too kind.I know that there are a lot of noble things that i CAN,in a way,represent by what i do,and people recognise these things,which is wonderful,but i deserve no credit for any of it:What i do has been accomplished by means of utter selfishness/sinful pride,and many other people were severely hurt in the process.Thus,i could never be proud of what i do/am,and let no more be said,for there's much grief therein,but i AM very happy that some of this stuff is interesting to folks,and brings joy,by reminding how many neat things there are,in this neat world! Beth,you know,a very good friend of mine in Fairbanks,a watercolorist,has recently started making 3-D bronze castings(having them cast to his design).They're simple animal figurines,and they instantly started selling.Last i've heard he was going to do more designs,and was quite hopeful about this particular new branch of his.So,good luck! As to my mention of the show,it's that gig that i signed up for at the University museum,something like"The Alaskan artisan..."something or other.In essence-a Christmas bazaar.The people are going to go there with a thought of maybe buying a $5 gift for their dogsitter(and there i'll be-with THE perfect fit-an 18th c.French roasting fork!!!). The fact is(and here i have to tread very carefully,as i don't lie,on principle,yet have no right to burden anyone with anything too heavy)-i'm not making it,straddling,as i do,the fence between the incompatible worlds:That of the organised society and the hunter/gatherer's existence. I live on charity of friends,and not making it in any sense of the word even so.I'm going to have to choose,and go with one or another.Smithing is possible(with my tastes and predilections)only as an exclusive,gallery sort of "art",or some nebulousness such as an "artist in residence"et c.Other than forging,my choice lies between getting a job,or going back to camp,further out than before,as a total outcast this time. So,this choice will have to be made this Nov,18th,when the hoity-toity(in our blue-collar Fairbanks,and Alaska in general),will come to the Museum to take their last sniff at me(we've been circling each-other for years ).After that,i'll have the rest of the winter to get the gear together if i was to hit the River,or,whatever develops as a result of my efforts now. I have facilities available to me in Fbks IF i've orders,but surviving in Alaska as a craftsman is tough(my buddy Hanna,a fantastically creative person AND sculptor,who took forging lessons from me,has gotten her Masters in sculpture at the UAF.Within months she was enrolled into an apprenticeship as a pipefitter,to go welding on gas pipelines,because that's how it is,in Alaska,probably in the world in general).I'm an unskilled laborer,and i just am not willing to eke out a pathetic existence as a dishwasher,too old for that crap.If that'll be the best offer from the White Man(as it had been my whole life),i'll take whatever the bears would give me :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yesteryearforge Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 BETH The time has come the walrus said To talk of many things Of shoes and ships and sealing wax Of cabbages and kings And why the sea is boiling hot And whether pigs have wings From The Looking glass Probally totally irrelivent but that just popped into my head when I read the title of this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HWHII Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Jake, You will do well in your show in Nov. Your work will speak for it self. It flows well, has a nice balance and is well thought out. You seem have a natural eccentricity about you and if it is made known how your pieces are forged, where, how and what from, it will work very well for you. It is what some people look for it a true artist. It is not just about the piece but the story and the artist behind it. You can not create it, this is who you are naturally. Just be yourself and your work will sell itself. Let them sniff away as they lay dead presidents in your hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 Jake I really think you have more to say than "fork" Not sure what you're waiting for or why you have trouble calling your voice artistic. Just put it out there in it entirety, I think you would be surprised of the support you would receive spiritually and financially. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Traylor Posted July 24, 2011 Share Posted July 24, 2011 While we are deeply involved in complex ideas here today, let me throw in my favorite from Robert Frost: Take care to sell your horse before he dies, The art of life is passing losses on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share Posted July 25, 2011 I don't know how to thank you guys for such kindness and support.I hear you,and never underestimate the value of such sound advise. To actually put it into practice...I may just not have what it takes.A huge part of being a proffesional artist is self-promotion.I always knew that,and knew that i'll have to practice it or perish.There are other aspects as well that i've woefully neglected,so if i don't make the grade,i'll have no one but myself to blame. And if so,if i fail crashingly this fall and have to give up forging,i'll at least know that i've failed not at the basic skill,but at the peripheral issues that i just wasn't built for,temperamentally.(There's a most annoying whiny streak in everything that i write.It's infuriating,how it creeps in even though try my best at edging it out!That's the chronic,debilitating pain that is my reward for all the years of heroics out in the woods,it's actually slowly destroying my very personality.That's the main reason for urgency in my upcoming negotiations of the possibilities of the social contract). A friend really needed help with building a deck and a couple of stair-flights.I'm now a carpenter for a couple of days,man,it was so different working with wood today!The stuff is so light,and forgivong! Tommy,thanks,Frost always does make one think!Never read that poem before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevan Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 I too have followed this thread since its beginning and what a delight and enligtening piece it has proven to be. How different from anything else that this wonderful site has delivered and that I have enjoyed since 2007. Jake and Beth, your artistic proclivities are so apparent and it is this that sets the artist so firmly apart from the rest of people. The true artist is indeed that person which gives credence to the saying that: .....the labourer works with his hands, the artisan works with the hands and the mind and the artist works with the hands, the mind and the heart. To all those who have contributed to this thread I thank you for adding a touch of happy colour to my daily dose of IFI. Beth, if you read this I have tried sending you a private mail without success. My wife I are going to be near Gloucestershire in October.........I would deem a cuppa with you very special. (I will bring my own kettle) Regards, to all, Kevan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 firstly kevan - of course your welcome - i will mail you on here and see how it works! you dont even need your own kettle!! the saying on your thread is very beautiful, and i think, absolutely right jake i have been thinking about you and your situation, so much that i have not been able to answer coherently to the last couple! i wanted to say something meaningful and helpful to you - im not going to comment on your financial and domestic arrangements ( although i hear what your saying about the selfishness that led to your position - i can tell you from the other side of that argument, you bring down problems on everyone around you long term by adopting a misguided 'selflessness' too i have done that 'for my children' etc and have learned over the years there really is a middle ground on this stuff where you can all have what you need as an individual.) (in an ideal world ) i would love to send you a book which is on the surface a bit cheesy, but has had a profound effect on me and my creativity and the way i look at the whole thing. i think from this kind of mental perspective almost anything can be achiveved and can happen - see its already sounding cheesy!!! i didnt really buy this whole stuff in the normal course of my day, but like i said the book has helped me enormously as an artist. its called the arists way by julia cameron you might have seen it, but if you tell me your address, PLEEEASEE let me send it to you jake. all the things you call your whining stuff at the start of the last post - the vibes in all that stuff (my words too often enough) are all gone through in this book, and much more beside. come on jake - let me post it you!!!! :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share Posted July 25, 2011 Beth,dear,thank you so much!But,no,i can't let you do that(i've shipped orders to Europe not too long ago,it's too cost-prohibitive for anything other than strict necessity).But,if you'd be so kind as to send the info using which this book can be ordered,i promise to do so forthwith!I'm a rich carpentero the next two days,and even have a friend that has an electronic banking capability,to pay for stuff online!Please,i think that would be a best way! I thank you for your kindness and concern,and am very glad that you've taken what i had to say in stride(i did have to,and it was you that i was particularly worried about alarming).It would be great to read something that pertinent to all of us here,and maybe discuss it some,too? Art is important(such an original thought,eh?),artists,too.As loaded as both these terms are(as per your reference,Beth,to your conversation with your friend,above,inclusive).BUT: For how long must the creative individual grovel and sweep dust with their tail?(Or,in my case,clutch my scrunched-up immigrant's cap in both hands and bow,nervously?). Our "product"(and the metalsmith is luckier than many in that respect) is not that physically apparent.It's very togh to proove materially that the child's brain will not develop correctly without some art/music/et c. education,but most people do accept it as common sense.Similarly,many other such very important factoids,et c. And yes,certain,even very large part of responsibility for bringing it to everyone's attention lies squarely with the art professionals themselves.Large,PART,not EVERYTHING.There IS a limit to one's patience with the imbalance of forces in the economy. An artist's strike!I vote that we strike! (My attitude reminds me of a quote from a great writer,Izaak Babel,from one story where the Chief Cemetary Beggar tells him,the young reporter:"Young man,you've glasses on your nose,and there is autumn in your soul.And you are fierce behind your writer's desk,and stammer when out in public..."). I'll say a few somewhat unsavory things now,please take them with a LARGE grain of salt,as i don't take myself too seriously. Michael,this is in regards to accerting one's prerogative as an artist. I never really make anything that is not (thinly) cloaked by "functionality",but i do consider that at times.One idea that i keep(pushing aside)is to use some of the many critter sculls that i've gotten from trapper friends(i've fed carcasses to my dogs),wolves,wolverines,foxes.One idea was to forge half-organic/half-mechanical carnivorous plant of sorts,digesting an obviously animal remnant. Even more ghoulish idea was to actually make a point of highlighting the fractured teeth,so graphically mangled against the steel trap. Now,i'll probably never do anything of the sort,but,just out of academic interest:Isn't there some poetic justice in the soundness of the public's repugnance,rejection of some of us,artists?Instinctive self-defence,if you will,and what living organism doesn't have that inalienable right,to defent itself from the unseemly? Again,please don't take anything i may say seriously!I mean that :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake pogrebinsky Posted July 25, 2011 Author Share Posted July 25, 2011 And i was already out the door to go to work,when ran into the herd of snowshoe hares...Couldn't resist taking this picture,and of course have to accompany it with the usual bratty quote:"Me and Boris are living at the Villa Borghese.Yesterday,Boris told me that he has crabs.How can anyone get lice,living in a beautiful place like this?!",Henry Miller,"Tropic of Cancer"(quoting from memory,approx.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Well Jake I for one would enjoy that visual however disgustingly beautiful it may be, I just think your voice should be seen. I am really a terrible critic but a very visual person so most of the work I like is well thought out and crafted to a high degree, but as far as the politics, me just don't get it, most of the time. Looking at the work you have shown I do feel the functionality seems to give it a forced look, trying to fit where it doesn't belong, on the other side have you ever tried to make something without a predetermined idea? Let the metal tell you what it wants to be, let the vibration develop the piece? If so how could it ever be forced into becoming what it is? I know this is kinda out there but I really do try and find a middle ground with my work and have some decent results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 ah jake i love your hares still fussing about your predicament .... i think i can send you th ebook from amazon america or something - it would be great to discuss on here ! i am as you feared concerned about your situation but i fear more for your mental health than your financial. i always think something turns up. that may be naive. also i can hardly advise or offer any real help for a situation i understand very little of in reality:( danger i know what your saying about jakes work, but i have to say i ADORE the land of function and curly madness that his work inhabits. i wuld like to live in a world entirely made like this. i agree tho that you (jake - or anyoe) should try some of your more 'useless' ideas - i love the skull ideas - we are similar in this dept (and many others actually i feel ) - i used to collect skulls as a child and i still have quite a few. a friend of mine recently forged very beautifuly and cleverly a buffaloes skull from 3mm steel, it was lovely but i did think i prefer the real thing. i cant see the point of copying nature, but to do a skull being eaten by plant life sounds great:) much more like it. i think you sometimes ~(when time allows) have to discard retail value of what your making and let the vibes do the talking as you say danger. the thing is this jake - where i live art can be bought and sold relatively easily. people have money (vast amounts of it sometimes) and sometimes if your lucky and in vogue (yuk) you can sell some stuff. but the cost of living in this area is huge and in return for the potential sales you have to tie yourself pretty well and truly into the rat race. everything costa a lot here... im not sure its worth it cos you just spend so much to live and it does not feel right. i think we are quite similar people jake, but in chalk and cheese opposite situations in terms of art opportunities . strange eh? so if there were elements of your life that you love over where you are, you would probably lose them all to live here and earn money making art. and i sit here wishing for a simpler life, but knowing one day i might sell enough. i could send you some jobs and you could send me some time, mental space, and connectedness. its always all in the balance isnt it? i absolutely think that with all your arrows pointing in the right direction, whatever that may be, you will find a good balance. i dont know if i make any sens e at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsberg Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Jake, To be honest, I think that maybe part of the disorder of the membrane is that you arn't letting your true artist out to play! Only a true artist takes 10 hours to make a hand forged spoon and being an artist myself(note that my little picture deal that is beside my posts is an old painting of mine, about 10" by 8", scaned it before I gave it away, it is displayed a bit squished on this forum) have found the greatest limitation to the depths of creativity as being purpose of production! Not the reason of production, that is an aspect of the inspiration, but the subject of creation. I started all of my paintings(havn't picked up a brush in WAY too long! ) with a single stroke of the brush using a color that I mixed up and "felt" was the right begining of it at that moment. I never started with pencil to outline the piece, except for when I was in class and learning how to paint and draw. From there it would spread rapidly and take on its own life, often with little bits and pieces popping up here and there that suprised me a bit. When I painted my greatest inspiration was always to use the work to see into other peoples minds, my stuff was always very bold with great depth of color and somewhat dark in context. This always produced some very significant opinions from the viewers of it, not always good ones. What I do know is that if everyone loves a piece of art then there is something WRONG with it! A few weeks ago one of my friends told me of an art exibit done by a guy(years ago) who placed a block of butter in a cardboard box, let is sit for a few days so that the butter melted and soaked into the box. Then he admitted a wolf into the room with the box and the wolf tore it apart! At first I thought, "Is that art?", the more I thought about it, it seemed to be a statement of action, a guided, but uncontroled action, one born of nature but forced by man. Is that not exactly what all true art is? An action, born of nature, forced by man. I really like your animal trap idea, could not two skulls be used, one large and caught, the other smaller and striking the trap? Wild stuff! One book that I really dig is "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot. Caleb Ramsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsberg Posted July 25, 2011 Share Posted July 25, 2011 Beth, I keep on forgetting, I think that you nailed it with the "Hospital" analysis. You mentioned the use of the term "home". I don't know about over there, but here interestingly if one uses the term "the home", such as "Bob is in the home." Then one is refering to a mental institute or a place for old people. If we say, "Jill is at home", then we are refering to Jill being in her house. Caleb Ramsby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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