Flawed G Dogma Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 I got this recently. It has a "43", I think, stamped on the side. Any help in identifying and dating this would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! Quote
Daswulf Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 What does it weigh? If that is the last number for the hundred weight stamp it can't be 43, since the last number only would go up to 27. I almost thing I see 1.1.3 so around 143lbs? Without a name stamp or someone by miracle recognizing something specific about it to another example that has the name stamp you are pretty much out of luck " knowing" who made it. It looks like an old one tho. And a usable anvil if it's got decient rebound. Quote
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted April 25, 2018 Posted April 25, 2018 Welcome to IFI, I always suggest reading this thread to get the best out of the forum. https://www.iforgeiron.com/topic/53873-read-this-first/ As far as ID on your anvil, a wire wheel on an angle grinder may bring out some marking's that will help the members who have more knowledge than I about them. Please do not use a grinder on it. Quote
JHCC Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 If it is a Mousehole, it's a very early one. I don't know if MH made anvils without a step or with that swelling in the middle of the sides of the base, but The Mousehole Forge by Richard Postman would have the documentation if they did. Quote
Nobody Special Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 English pattern wrought iron, 18th century-ish, no telling whose from what's there. Try a gentle brushing with a non-knotted wire brush, and rub the sides with flour or baby powder with it tilted a little to bring out faint markings, if any. Quote
ThomasPowers Posted April 26, 2018 Posted April 26, 2018 In the CWT weight systems used for old english anvils: L M (R)R, the leftmost digit is Hundredweights which was 112 pounds so Lx112; the middle was quarter hundred weights, 28 pounds and can only be 0-3 => Mx28 and the rightmost digit(s) are residual pounds and so must be 0-27 Add them all up and you should be within 10 pounds of what it weighs on a bathroom scale. Quote
tanglediver Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 That's one old puppy! Our esteemed author loosely describes that pattern as "colonial", predating the "Old English" versions which began near the turn of he 19th century which did feature cutting tables. Quote
Lou L Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 You are unlikely to determine a maker on an anvil that old, but the weight would be hidden in the two numbers to the left of that three. Still, a scale is a lot quicker and more accurate. Either way, it’s just awesome, in my opinion, to get a relic like that back into action. As long as it hasn’t been in a fairy and lost it’s temper it should be a perfectly workable tool. If it is soft, and you love it for its historic value, then perhaps you will want to baby it. But use it no matter what if for no other reason than to honor the many who have used it before you. Dont bother grinding or otherwise reworking the face of it. As Thomas says (I’m paraphrasing), those flaws on the face and edges can become assets to your forging once you get used to the various places on the anvil. Lou Quote
JHCC Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lou L said: As long as it hasn’t been in a fairy and lost it’s temper I think Lou means "in a fire and lost its temper", but I could be wrong. Quote
Frosty Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I think Lou's original tells a MUCH better story. There ARE carnivorous fairies aren't there? Maybe a fairy constrictor? I better stop this line of thinking I could get myself in trouble with Admin. Frosty The Lucky. Quote
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 I'm convinced there are Fairies in our shop and they borrow stuff to play with it. If I ask nicely they will bring it back so I can use it. Quote
Frosty Posted April 27, 2018 Posted April 27, 2018 Ring your anvil and call the on the horn? Frosty The Lucky. Quote
Lou L Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 4 hours ago, JHCC said: I think Lou means "in a fire and lost its temper", but I could be wrong. This iPad autocorrect along with the new weird keyboard brings me endless trouble and frustration. Finally, though, it has brought me joy. Since Peter Pan started blacksmithing, Tinkerbell has never been the same..... Quote
Will W. Posted April 28, 2018 Posted April 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Frosty said: Ring your anvil and call the on the horn? Frosty The Lucky. But i have a Fisher. I cant "ring" anything! I guess thats why all my tools go missing. Quote
Flawed G Dogma Posted May 7, 2018 Author Posted May 7, 2018 On 4/25/2018 at 11:41 PM, ThomasPowers said: In the CWT weight systems used for old english anvils: L M (R)R, the leftmost digit is Hundredweights which was 112 pounds so Lx112; the middle was quarter hundred weights, 28 pounds and can only be 0-3 => Mx28 and the rightmost digit(s) are residual pounds and so must be 0-27 Add them all up and you should be within 10 pounds of what it weighs on a bathroom scale. It weighs about 152 lbs. Does that help. Quote
Frosty Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 On 4/27/2018 at 5:14 PM, Will W. said: But i have a Fisher. I cant "ring" anything! I guess thats why all my tools go missing. Use Morse code, it's a Fisher! <SHEESH!> Frosty The Lucky. Quote
ThomasPowers Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 Semaphore should be OK using Hammer and tongs; except for sinister folks! Quote
Daswulf Posted May 7, 2018 Posted May 7, 2018 59 minutes ago, Flawed G Dogma said: It weighs about 152 lbs. Does that help. Well it's either just a 3 with a mark in front of it making their calculation at 143lbs. Or it's an offset porky stamped 2 in front of the 3 making it at 163lbs. Doesn't look like a 1 to me and they are often off from the stamped weight. Like Thomas said around 10lbs. Quote
Flawed G Dogma Posted May 8, 2018 Author Posted May 8, 2018 10 hours ago, Flawed G Dogma said: It weighs about 152 lbs. Does that help. Any idea on it's age? Quote
tanglediver Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 4 hours ago, Flawed G Dogma said: Any idea on it's age? I'm guessing it pre-dates 1800. Quote
Flawed G Dogma Posted May 8, 2018 Author Posted May 8, 2018 17 hours ago, Daswulf said: Well it's either just a 3 with a mark in front of it making their calculation at 143lbs. Or it's an offset porky stamped 2 in front of the 3 making it at 163lbs. Doesn't look like a 1 to me and they are often off from the stamped weight. Like Thomas said around 10lbs. Any idea on its age? 3 hours ago, tanglediver said: I'm guessing it pre-dates 1800. I was told most likely pre-1780? Thoughts? Quote
Daswulf Posted May 8, 2018 Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Flawed G Dogma said: Any idea on its age? Can't help you there. You might never know precisely. Quote
tanglediver Posted May 10, 2018 Posted May 10, 2018 On 5/8/2018 at 7:22 AM, Flawed G Dogma said: Any idea on its age? I was told most likely pre-1780? Thoughts? Hmmm. It's as old as the U.S. George Washington's sword could have been forged on that anvil, or Benjamin Franklin's kite key, or maybe even Nicolas Cage's colored glasses. It's about that old. Quote
Flawed G Dogma Posted May 26, 2018 Author Posted May 26, 2018 I brushed the numbers and have figured out it is a 43. It weighs 153 lbs. Any of this make sense? Thanks for all the help! Quote
Frodillicus Posted June 5, 2019 Posted June 5, 2019 Well, I have a very similar shape anvil, it's massive though, Horn 11" x 4" Face 16 1/2" x 6 1/2" Height 13 3/4" Mine has no markings on it at all All I've ever found is a similar one by SC Foster, (or his son William foster) pre 1780 as it has no table, no pritchel hole, and I bet that hardie hole is stamped into it at a later date and not very square, Mine is stamped through the side. The number, if it is 43 (tbh though it just looks like a very clear mark next to the 3), maybe the date and not the weight. Quote
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