George N. M. Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Since we do not have a Historical Ironwork topic (hint, hint} and this is not about a blade I will post this here. This one is a twofer! Here is a link to an article about a 14th century find in Switzerland of an articulted iron gauntlet AND the remains of a blacksmith shop that was destroyed in the same fire. It's probably a translation error but what the article calls "pliers" are clearly, in reality, tongs. https://www.thehistoryblog.com/archives/69277/comment-page-1#comment-4256190 IMO pretty cool. GNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les L Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 George, I enjoyed the article, thanks for posting it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shainarue Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I never thought about it but yes, It is quite surprising we don't have a topic for Historical Ironwork! Thanks for the article share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBones Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 George, i have seen other countries call them pliers before. I do not think it is a translation error it is just their word for pliers and tongs is the same word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I would imagine creating a new sub-forum would increase bandwith or whatever it's called these days, and cost more. Scott - "Not An Authority On Anything" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Topics get created after we discover there are enough threads to justify them existing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott NC Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 I would suggest creating one then, as George has been kind enough to share many of them. I have commented on ones I feel interesting. They should have a home, as opposed to helter skelter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George N. M. Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 My personal opinion is that a historical ironwork topic would get more traffic than some of the more obscure topics are getting at present. Some of them haven't had a new posting in the last 6 months to 1 year, a few probably longer than that. I would guess that I post something about archeological iron work about a half dozen times per year plus whatever comments my posts would get and other folk, e.g. Alexandr, periodically post photos of historic window grates, gates, etc. in Europe and other places. Also, having a dedicated topic may encourage folk to photograph various ironwork exhibits on their travels and post the photos. And it may be a valuable resource for anyone wanting to replicate or research historical pieces. Just my 2 small monetary units. George Billy, I played with an on line translator and the German word "zange" means either tongs or pliers but "brennschere" and "lockenstab" also translate as "tongs/" I figure that because German is the most common language in Swizerland that it is the most likely original one for this article. Maybe someone with a better knowledge of German can clarify. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I have 7-8 history articles bookmarked, which relate to historical blacksmithing, 4 of which have been submitted by George N.M. I can't control the wind, all I can do is adjust my sail’s. Semper Paratus Maybe pinning this thread would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George N. M. Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Since we already have topics for "Historic Blades," "Spears, Arrows, Pole Arms, Mace/Hammer, etc" and "Sword Smithing" it seems logical to have similar topics for things that aren't cutty, pokey, or smashey. Pehaps another way to approach it might be to have various subtopics referring to common things blacksmiths make like jewelry, window grates, stair railings, gates, fire tools, cookery implements, gardening tools, hinges, latches, nails, locks, etc. (historic or contemporary). That way things can be broken down in a similar manner as weapons. This seems logical to me. I do notice that there are a few existing topics which have had only a few posts in the 20+ years of IFI as compared to the much more popular topics, possibley by one or two orders of magnitude. GNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Special Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I think you're right about the "pliers". Wrong shape for the bits. The medieval ones I've seen looked more like the Alexander Weygers illustrations of forged pliers with sort of triangular bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Busy lately, give us a little time to create it, then transfer over the threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George N. M. Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 As far as I am concerned, Steve, whenever you get around to it. No urgency. We've gotten by OK so far. This would just be an evolutionary improvement. GNM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julianb Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Hi, as a historian, I'd really like such a thread! Cheers! Julian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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