regularjoe Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Hi everyone. I'm a beginner and have acquired an anvil. I will try to post some pictures after I get home this evening. The anvil is in decent shape, but I have an issue. The hardy hole looks like it wasn't finished. On the top, there is a square indention outlined where the hole should be, and if you look under the bottom side, the hardy hole is there, just not all the way through. My question is, I want to open it up without absolutely destroying a nice anvil. Has anyone ever came across this, and what are my options? First pot, by the way. Thanks for any help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Welcome to IFI! If you haven't yet, please READ THIS FIRST!!! Regarding your question, we do need photos to give accurate advice. The hole may have something jammed in it, or it may be something else. Good, clear photos with something to give a sense of scale (like a quarter on the anvil face) would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Most anvils have only a hardened top, so if the sq part is already through that then the lower sections will be easier to work. Several people here have re-worked their hardy holes and may chime in when we can see the pictures. Any idea as to the anvils maker or general age? (Or country of origin?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 This is not the best pic, but it's all I have on my phone. I'll take a closer one when I get home this evening and post. This anvil was gifted to me by an older gentleman along with three pair of tongs. He mounted it on a wheel drum, sitting on a piece of what he called "railroad rubber". He is now deceased, so I cannot question him. There are some weight markings on the other side, but the only marking I could find is the letter I highlighted with soapstone. If you look close, you can almost see the markings where the hardy hole should be. He obviously did a little painting on it, and I will clean that off tonight as well. I have no idea about it, and any info, points, and help is appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Interesting. Has the overall lines of a Mousehole (AKA The Undisputed King of Anvils), but might have been made by someone who trained at that shop before setting off on their own. No pritchell hole, which would make it pre-1830 (if it is a MH); is there any trace of one on the underside? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 When I enlarge the picture, it looks like something has been jammed into the hardy hole. I would look from the bottom and try & drift it out from below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 I plan to take it off the stand today and flip it over. There is no sign at all of a pritchell on the underside. Just the hardy hole. The marks are indentations, like it needs to be "knocked out'. But the underside has a nice, square hole going up over halfway through the anvil. It looks original, and I have seen no signs of any modifications to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc1 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 i am sure you can clear the hardy hole easy. To me it seems someone prefered to have a flat surface rather than having the hole 'in the way' and so filled it in. Just make sure the edge of the plug is not welded to the face or you could damage it by trying to hammer it out. i would first tap the plug down to make sure it is only jammed in and not welded. What is the weight of the anvil? The stand will not win any beauty contest but seems solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Do a little exploratory drilling from below to see if you can figure out what the plug is made of and whether or not it's attached to the anvil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 In general the older anvils had their hardy holes hot punched and drifted and from the top down. So if there is a square hole on the bottom then there is something jammed in there. Removal may include drilling and chiseling. Can we see the weight stampings to see if they are CWT form? When it's off the stand could you weigh it on a bathroom scale too? Pretty Please! Looks like a good anvil and you are lucky to get it the way you did! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Also, measure from both above and below to get an idea of how thick the plug is. Good to know what you're dealing with beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 You guys are a wealth of good knowledge. Thanks. I will certainly try to get a picture of the weight markings , but I have to get it off that stand first.I'll scale it, too. I am sure by looking at it he never intended for it to be removed. I will definitely measure it before I go to doing any work on it. I was just scared of messing it up. Sometimes it's easier to learn from someone else's mistake. I was a tool and die maker for 11 years before my current career, and this blacksmithing thing is a foreign concept to me. I've been reading on here for a while now, but this is the first question I couldn't find an answer with the search feature. I tried it out the other day making a few S hooks with a dirt box forge I put together. I'm hooked now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Ok guys, I removed the anvil and cleaned it up. Used a long punch and knocked it out. Turns out someone plugged it up years ago. It has a "w" mark on the side, and the weight markings are 0 3 10. I put it on a bathroom scale and it weighed in at 91 lbs. I took a few more pics to boot. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Definitely English and older. 0 3 10 would be 94 in the CWT system so within tolerance with your scale weight. Not a bad size for a starter/travel anvil; just don't sledge on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Excellent. Definitely not a Mousehole, but clearly English. Use it in good health. Are the tongs in good shape? People starting out tend to obsess about hammers, anvils, and forges, but if you can’t hold it, you can’t hit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yes, they are. I can tell these were made by someone, not purchased. I have a flat pair, and two different size V-bit tongs. Just in the couple of times I've worked, I can tell that I will have many more before it's said and done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHCC Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Photos, please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, regularjoe said: I can tell these were made by someone, not purchased. Welcome aboard Regularjoe, I see the guys have gotten you working on the missing hardy hole. I wasn't going to say anything till I had something to contribute but I just couldn't pass on the above sentence of yours. I'd like to ask where purchased anvils come from, the Stork, maybe a magic cabbage patch? Just joshing with you Joe, we know what you meant but I do so LOVE a straight line. Thanks , that was a doozy. Frosty The Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I was thinking that was about the tongs; but ALL tongs are made by someone; commercial tongs often were made in factories by smiths even back in the old days! Nowadays they are probably drop forged with a person taking the hot stock out of the furnace and running it through the drop forge die(s). "Hand Forged" and "made in a factory" do not necessarily make an oxymoron! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
regularjoe Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 True indeed. I was referring to the tongs, but but I love a good laugh. The tongs are well built. Just looking at them reminds me of my current skill level. But I wish there was a magic anvil cabbage patch. That would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Have you seen the picture of "caught out in an anvil storm" in Postman's book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Frankly I was so taken by your delicious straight line I missed the part about "purchased" and it's potentials. At least living in the woods with a few dogs I can offer a lead bonus for folks attempting to not purchase our things. How about GPS chipping Wile E Coyote and following him around with a pick up truck? At a safe distance of course, maybe even bring a bicycle pump to rejuvenate him for his next venture. Frosty The Lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conrad.blacksmithing Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Your anvil could be a Wilkinson Dudley... I am no genius but is has the same feet and horn....even the heel is short like a Wilkinson. Don't count on me though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentForge Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 I was thinking the same, it has the shape of a Dudley as you sad and if there is a W marked on it that would be my closest guess. Nice anvil you got there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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