ThomasPowers Posted February 24, 2019 Share Posted February 24, 2019 Well I know of various examples of differential quenching: the "gunk" method or Weygers mentions quenching an edge in a melon (to match the blade curve!) HOWEVER I would sure want to know if the alloy I was using supported that type of heat treat! (Even 100+ year old blacksmithing books mentions trouble with "water line cracking" with a differential hardening...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 21 hours ago, anvil said: I wouldn't heat treat as was mentioned in the OP "on a lark", you might say. Glad to hear that Anvil, I like Larks I'd have to urn you into the SPCA. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 Lol, one tweet deserves another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I like to chirp in when I can. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I still think the mud idea came from some bird brain, the quench has to be fast enough to cool or it doers not harden at all. if water is too fast use oil. MUD ? I still LOL at his idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzkill Posted February 25, 2019 Share Posted February 25, 2019 I also think he's a bit of a loon. However, I've never tried a mud quench. Do you think the guy would go edge to edge with one of his mud-quenched multi-fold 5160 blades against an oil quenched and properly tempered 5160 blade that has not been folded? The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Anyone confident in his technique/skills should have no issue going up against something he claims is inferior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irondragon Forge ClayWorks Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Next up from him. Quenching in pigeon droppings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlpservicesinc Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 If a person is getting XYZ results and they are really getting the results than I'm all for it.. If the guy is not getting the results than it would show rather quickly.. With metals there are temperatures that are within ranges, right.. I mean even the spec's will vary with a given temperature range, Oil, water, brine, air, etc, etc.. Does it make sense.. No.. But sometimes a person finds something that works for him and off they go.. I know that one of the japanese sword makers likes 0.60Carbon... so maybe this guys forge welding them get it to the carbon content that works for him.. 1045 is a popular steel today for making hammers out of... 20 years ago 0.60-0.75 carbon is what I would have considered normal.. I don't know his methods or have seen his work.. Some pictures of his work maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 He probably didn't understand what the technique of making a hamon meant. Maybe thin colloidal mud, say bentonite? It's not what he was talking about of course but it might be possible if it didn't bake a layer on the blade? Probably not but . . . 9 minutes ago, Irondragon Forge & Clay said: Next up from him. Quenching in pigeon droppings. I've experienced things like picnics, etc. being quenched by pigeon droppings. I know I wouldn't want to be where I could collect enough fast enough to quench a blade. Oh WAIT! You're suggesting quenching HIM in pigeon droppings? Sort of poop quiz his knowledge? Given a choice I'd go with Buzz's proofing the blade in pudding. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 I know the historical method of filing the stock down and feeding the filings to birds and collecting and refining the poop. Generally believed nowadays to have been done to increase the phosphorus content. Phosphorus is a harding element somewhat like Carbon; however it's now considered a very bad contaminant due to it causing increased cold shortness. I'm getting the feeling that his info sources don't go much into why a process was used and so allow one to judge if it is still needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvil Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Without a doubt, its more "I found it on the internet" without an internet footnote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Sells Posted February 26, 2019 Share Posted February 26, 2019 Maybe he was talking to old River gazer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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