Dave51B Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I think you can tell which half was in the tank......I use phosphoric acid to protect the cleaned part... If you check the ingredients in the navel jelly or any other rust stop solution you should find the same thing....while your at it, check your Pepsi or Coke soft drink... I've been chastised more than once for recommending phosphoric acid as a rust stop.....I could go on, but that's enough for now.... Life is Good Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gray iron Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 Papy , I researched all I could find on your vise and believe it was made by Roberts and Langworthy iron works Dubuque Iowa. The old hardware catalogs just list them as star vises. Some are marked L&R mfg co. With a raised star. The company became Adams Farwell and even manufactured automobiles. It's still in business as the Adams co. Manufacturing gears. Very interesting history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel h Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 I tried electrolysis on a post vise I got and it was rusted locked up. I made a rewire basket to line my plastic tub turned on my welder low as it can go with vise suspended into the solution . I ran it several hours over two days , I was able to break it loose. Now I need to get a spring for it made to complete the restoration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 13, 2016 Author Share Posted April 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, Gray iron said: Papy , I researched all I could find on your vise and believe it was made by Roberts and Langworthy iron works Dubuque Iowa. The old hardware catalogs just list them as star vises. Some are marked L&R mfg co. With a raised star. The company became Adams Farwell and even manufactured automobiles. It's still in business as the Adams co. Manufacturing gears. Very interesting history. Gray Iron Wow I wish I had your research skills. I didn't find any more about this vise. Thank you for the info. Just makes me want to get it back in service even more. I'll get it de-rusted and then get to work. Thanks Gray Iron and everyone else for the ideas! Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuppiejr Posted April 13, 2016 Share Posted April 13, 2016 20 hours ago, Dave51B said: Thanks Arkie, I forgot about that newfangled charger....I wonder if you put in a battery hooked up in parallel, could you fool it to charge? Dave I played with a few combos to make my existing automatic charger work including wiring a bad battery in parallel, most of them have an automatic shutoff feature regardless of the battery charge state after a set number of hours. I dinked with a lot of chargers before discovering the new/manual models and haven't looked back for doing electrolysis cleanup. A computer power supply or DC welder can also do the trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 18, 2016 Author Share Posted April 18, 2016 Question???? The hinge on this vise had rivets. One side was broken the other side came apart(broke) during electrolysis. Any suggestions on what I should put back in? The vise does not show much wear and...it will not be original as I do not have the anvil/hold down piece. So I'm going to put it to work in the shop. Rivet or bolt? Grade 2, 5 or 8 with ny-lock. All thoughts are welcome. I'm leaning toward a bolt as it would be stronger feel free to adjust my attitude Pic below is after electrolysis with oil. Electrolysis is stump stupid easy! Thanks Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Don't use a grade 8 as they are better for tensile than shear stresses like the vise pivot would create. Can you draw the rivet out enough in the middle to stretch it long enough to reuse it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 Biggundoctor No go on stretching the old rivet. It is only about 3/4" long and ate up. It looks like two rivets were used not one. But a 5/16" bolt will go all the way through. Is there an advantage to a rivet, other than historically correct, that I'm not seeing? If there is, one rivet or two? I have seen pictures of Cole's with bolts and rivets. Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGGUNDOCTOR Posted April 19, 2016 Share Posted April 19, 2016 Looks and practice riveting.. Anyone can run a nut onto a bolt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 19, 2016 Author Share Posted April 19, 2016 You got me there! Guess if it breaks again I can always repair it again...just wondering if there's a better way. thanks Biggundoctor Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 What is the "proper" height for a vise? Starting the anvil base and stand. I know this is a wide open question just looking for some guidance on the floor to top of jaw measurement. Seems like it should be taller then the anvil but that's a guess. Thanks Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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51 Papy Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Thanks John. That's what I was looking for. Should have seen the BS when I googled it. papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Ok now show the pictures of the right height for hammering; and the ones for the right height for using a 8" tall ball stake; and .... Or to put it succinctly: the proper height depends on what you are using it for---which was not mentioned. I do most of my filing in a machinist vise and not in any of my postvises. (and it mounts on the hand cranked table of my large drill press so I can move it up and down to get it just right for the item I'm filing.) Usually the heavier the hammering or the more tools you will be using in the vise the lower it needs to be. So if you will be forging renaissance armour on stakes, go low! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 29, 2016 Author Share Posted April 29, 2016 Thomas I knew that the question would more than one answer. From John's diagram my bench vise is perfect so, better or worse, I think I will lower the one I'm working on 4 to 6 inches to allow for hitting and bending. Figure I can raise it up if needed. Thanks for the input, nice tip on the drill press table. Going to try that. Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 I don't do any hammering on the machinist vise on the drill press table and I have a stout drill press. (2 HP oldschool Dayton motor on it). I have noticed that my 6" postvises tend to be shorter than some of my 4" ones. Perhaps they were "designed" for heavier work from the gitgo. (And yes I am overly fussy about "simple" answers to questions that are wide spanning...I can't even just say what height I use as the 11? I own differ amongst themselves) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted April 30, 2016 Author Share Posted April 30, 2016 Thomas The bench or machinist vise is an old Reed mounted to top of the bench (1/4" plate). I don't hit it (much). This one will be the one that will be used that's why I think I'm going to lower it some. I have a small swivel base vise to go on the press and that one will never get beat on. The old girl is to pretty. Thanks Papy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Papy Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 Going for a test run today. If all works out I'll take it inside fill it with sand and bolt it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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