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Hi all, I need some advice, I get to much smoke in my shop and need a solution. I have a photo of my idea, it consists of a 2 ft shop fan with a funnel and piping of some sort, blowing air at an upwards angle hopefully adding suction to the chimney. Let me know what you all think.
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I can only guess so many things: Wot is the fuel? how big is the chimney? how tall is the chimney? How far above the roof does the chimney go? Is there anything near that chimney taller than it? Trees..other rooflines etc? Is there a way air can enter the shop in volumes equal to wot you want to exit the chimney? 

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How big is the opening at the fire?  Generally, you want the opening at the fire to be no bigger than the cross section of the pipe, somewhat smaller is usually better.

 

If you don't have air coming in to the shop, cold as it might be outside, there's nothing to replace the air that wants to leave up the chimney.  Think about it like trying to suck through a straw.... if you put your finger over the end of the straw, restricting the flow in, you can't get anything out of the other end just like when the ice cream clogs the straw in your milkshake? 

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Some photos of your setup would allow folks to provide better advice.

 

By a 2ft shop fan, I assume this is some sort of a axial or propeller type fan?

If so, these fans cannot generate much pressure and so are poorly suited at moving air along any ducting that is substantially narrower than their propeller diameter.

What would be better is a fan that can generate a reasonable pressure in a narrow duct such as an impeller type fan that is used in dust extractors.

 

Whatever you do, if  you don't have enough air coming into your shop this is going to cause a problem.

 

Also I notice a lot of folks don't always take preferred wind direction into account. If a shop that is exposed and the preferred weather/wind side comes from the opposite side to the usual opening into the shop this can suck air out of the opening which will reduce chimney draw.

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I started with a different problem the constant hum of the blower was annoying, so I mounted it outside the shop in a weather proof cabinet solved the noise problem also always have fresh air to the tuyere & don't have to worry about depleting my shop oxygen & I also think chimney draws better.   John

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Greetings,

 

 

Just an Idea I came up with a few years ago.....  You must have air coming into the shop to move it out as the boys said... I designed this to induce air when I add green coal ...  Nothing more that an air jet to induce a draft...  I use it sometimes on first start up...   It is no substitute for a well designed forge air flow system...   A small flip up shutter works well to help the draft..

No heat up the stack means smoke in the shop...  That's my 2c..

 

 

Forge on and make beautiful things. 

 

Jim

 

 

 

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Greetings Robin,

 

I don't mean to misdirect this thread ...  The vise is a caulking vise use for horseshoes and upsetting ..   I am proud of this my smallest studio ..  This is one I use in the winter and a teaching studio in the summer months..   I named it Studio FE 26...  As you can tell I have been at this for a while.. The big blacksmith shop I close down for the winter ...  Just to hard to keep it heated and plow the snow... 

 

Forge on and make beautiful things

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm sorry all, I'm trying hard to grasp the concept of natural Draft but it is a challenge for me to try to learn technical knowledge on the Internet. I think I might do what you say Jim and add a cover of sorts to help out but I'm going to need something permanent in the future. The opening of the hood it probably 9x9. I'll try to get a pic up.

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  • 1 month later...

I see its an older post but I will jump in.  Go to Grianger and look at Draft Inducers.  We use them alot on fuel oil furnaces to help the draft on boilers and furnaces. The guys are right if you have a ten inch stack you need at least a ten dia fresh/combustion air coming into the building. The natural draft is just life a siphon once the stack is warm and the warm air is moving the air will sort of siphon up. You just got to get it over the hump,sort to speak. You could have other small problems, prevailing winds, locations of near by building etc. Could be more stack on top to get higher above roof line or peak. That usaully helps most of the wood stove problems I see.

Any way  just my two cents   Jeff

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there is another problem.  Any flue is limited as to how much air can pass through it at any given moment.  You sharing the volume with the added output off the fan is taking away from what can come from the forge itself.   Meaning  your forge will not be able to exhause as well as if you had just ran your fan mounted on the wall to exhaust its air to the outside. 
 
We do not want anything to share a forge flue.

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