FieryFurnace Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Well folks, I bought a power hammer. Phillip Patton's "Kinyon" style hammer. The reason for this step is entirely based on time. It free me up to get some other things done that have to be done before craft fair season. I'm still planning on building the tire hammer and I am still trying to collect the parts for that build. However, this purchase will allow me to set that asside for now and focus my attention on some other very important tasks that I have at hand. The hammer look and works good. I don't have time to post the pictures and story here, but check it out on my blog.....it is quite a story! MY BLOG Thoughts??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosterob Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wow thats a crazy story, I am glad no-one got hurt. Hammer looks good. Have you tried to run compressor yet? Or is it to badly damaged? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Wow, Strong looking hammer! There is a Chinese curse/blessing(depends on how you take it) "May you live an interesting life" I think someone said it for you. Regards Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DClaville Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 nice looking hammer but you really should weld something on where the cutout in the beam has been made it looks really weak IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyGeorge Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Dave, Thank God that you folks came thru the accident OK. That looks like you are going to be a very busy young man. Good luck. I certainly hope that not much damage was done to the compressor. Keep us up on your progress with the hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinton Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 nice looking hammer but you really should weld something on where the cutout in the beam has been made it looks really weak IMO It would have been better to off set the dies at an angle to avoid hitting the frame, someone else mentioned the same thing about the cut out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 8, 2011 Author Share Posted January 8, 2011 I think that the dies can be turned 90 degrees and worked from the side. I know the bottom one can but I haven't checked the top. That I-beam is 7/8" thick and is still probably around 4 inches wide between the cut outs. I don't like them either, but I didn't notice any shaking or flex when I ran the hammer. I may see if I can find some scrap metal to fill it in. The air filter, and the oil drain on the compressor are torn up and will have to be replaced. A plug busted off inside it's hole and it will have to be redrilled and retapped. The belt and pulley guard is busted up and will have to be removed. All major components seem to be ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clinton Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 You can probably use some channel iron to reinforce the I beam. You may find that turning the dies 90 degrees will be awkward, not a good way to approach a powerhammer, I would cut the dies loose from the mounting plate and angle them 20 to 30 degrees to the left, just enough to clear the frame with room to spare, find a good angle then weld them back to the plate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macbruce Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 I personally like 90 cause it allows me to work at the end of the dies as easily as the front, as in spreading leaves. With 30 you must go around the the side further to use the end, your choice........mb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peacock Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 If it were mine I would leave the dies just as they are and box around the cut out. A good box on each side will fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosterob Posted January 8, 2011 Share Posted January 8, 2011 Run ii as is until you have a reason to change it for the way that you work. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Patton Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think that the dies can be turned 90 degrees and worked from the side. As I mentioned before, I've been using the hammer for a long time, working some very heavy stock, and never had problems with flex. Probably because the i-beam is significantly heavier than the plans called for. If you're not comfortable with the cutouts, then you should weld some plate to the flanges at those spots to re-enforce it. BTW, the bottom die will not rotate 90 degrees, but the upper one will. I didn't do a perfect job lining the anvil up with the hammer, so the lower dies are not centered on their mounting plates.... Thanks again for buying it. I hope it lasts as long as you need it to. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBOY Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 No danger of that thing flexing with 7/8" I-beam, cutouts or not..Ive seen many hammers made with a lot lighter stuff..Im curious, how many beats per minute will it hit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 Hey Mr. Phillip, I tried the bolts after rotating the bottom die 90 degrees and it seemed to line up. I just used two bolts but I can at least get two in I know. I may try it again just to be sure though. Not sure about the running rate. It is still in pieces today. I'm still trying to locate someone to repair the compressor. It just amounts to re drilling and tapping two holes and replacing the air filter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KYBOY Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Im sure its a good hammer and will serve you well. Id like to have it ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Patton Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 I tried the bolts after rotating the bottom die 90 degrees and it seemed to line up. Well that's strange, it never lined up for me. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Dean Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Well Phillip, obviously ya wern't holdin' ur mouth jest right. It's kinda like when you get a new electronical gadget, you know the kind of stuff: cell phone, computer, DVD, ect., they fix them things to where only a teenager can get them runnin', once that happens ya get them to show you what they did so's you can then operate the confounded thang. Good for you FF. can't wait to see what you produce from it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 9, 2011 Author Share Posted January 9, 2011 I think I'm going to try the dies at 90 degrees and see how I like it. If I don't I'll try cutting them off and running them at an angle. All I have to cut with is a disk grinder so I'd like to avoid cutting it, like the plague. It remains to be seen. Anyone know if Airgas places work on air compressors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosterob Posted January 9, 2011 Share Posted January 9, 2011 Why dont you re-tap those holes yourself? It should be a very easy thing to do. Show us some pics of what is damaged and we will be able to coach you if you want. Any kind of filter that fits on it would be ok. Maybe a motorcycle one that clamps to a tube? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arftist Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Why dont you re-tap those holes yourself? It should be a very easy thing to do. Show us some pics of what is damaged and we will be able to coach you if you want. Any kind of filter that fits on it would be ok. Maybe a motorcycle one that clamps to a tube? Rob is correct on this, Dave. Tapping and threading are basic and important skills, often used in metalwork. There have been a few good threads on the subject here, or blaze away with some questions and we'll guide you through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 Here are some pics of the compressor. This is the oil drain for the compressor. The drain is a pipe that extends out about eight inches from the hole. The old pipe is in the picture to the right. This is the part where the hole is located. This is the other hole. It goes to a pressure guage. This is the pressure guage it goes to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted January 10, 2011 Author Share Posted January 10, 2011 Here is another pressure gauge. I could just cap that other hole and use this gauge. Not related to tap and die work, but this is the pulley and belt gaurd. It took the main impact best I can tell. Scratch marks on the tank. I'll get a picture of the air filter up in a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillip Patton Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Hi Dave, Doesn't look too bad. Looks like the oil drain pipe broke off in the hole, which is better then tearing out the hole. You really should re-install the pressure gauge, because it looks like it also has a pressure relief valve, which comes in handy should the compressor ever get stuck running. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefarm39 Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Dave, don't drill those out, at least until you try to use an "eazy-out" to get the broken end of the pipe out! I looks to me like the remnants of the pipe should come out very easily without having to resort to drilling and re-threading. If you don't have a set of screw extractors (easy-outs), you might want to invest in some, they are pretty handy. A screw extractor is a tapered, fluted tool that looks a little like a drill bit, only the flutes are reverse direction. You put it in the hole, and with a wrench turn it counter-clockwise. The flutes grab the inside of the broken pipe and out she comes! Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianinsa Posted January 10, 2011 Share Posted January 10, 2011 Dave, Those two don't look like they would need retapping! The pipe pieces look like copper? Try to forge/check your tools for a wedge shaped 'chisel' grip it with a vice grip then pressig it into the broken pipe try to turn it out counter clockwise with luck they will come out quite easily! Good luck Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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