monstermetal Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 You blew the axle rating on your trailer out of the water there, didn't you? Are those 3,500 pound axles? Congrats on getting that monkey off your back. It looks like it's well on it's way to being put back in service. Naw that trailer is good for 14,000 gross... my truck is licensed for 26K... I think I am going to have to find a scale and weigh this thing... I just have to know.. Especially after Grant bad mouthin my ol truck...;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fe-Wood Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Don't take it to a State run weight station. Sounds like you are close to over gross weight. Lets say 3500# for the trailer + 8000 for the truck + 13000 for the hammer = 24500 pounds. that leaves 1500 pound wiggle room. Not enough for me and I know California and Nevada get real funny about overweight vehicles... as in big fines and even bigger if you have a CDL and in some cases you have to reload to within rating to leave the scale area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lumpkins Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 yes those state run Scales will get deep into your wallet,, You can go to a truck stop and buy a truck Map. and go around most of the Scales or do your driving at nite.. . Weigh it at a truckstop with a cat scale.. I wish you luck.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefarm39 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Great job! and thanks for sharing the pics with us! Are you hauling it to CA, or is someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 24, 2009 Author Share Posted December 24, 2009 Well Grant it's not as heavy as I thought but it's way over what your 4b was. 11,900. Might as well be 6 ton. So if the anvil is 12:1 that's 6000 lbs Which puts the thing at 18,000. Just like the book said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bentiron1946 Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Fantastic set of photos! Doesn't look like that ground was any too firm to work on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Strange, the mfg literature has it at 13,000 including anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted December 24, 2009 Share Posted December 24, 2009 Never seen a Nazel, much heaver than the Niles. Wouldn't have thought the drive motor and cylinder would have put it over. They built the he77 out of that baby. The niles anvil calculated at 5000 and the sow at 2000 plus the die. Is this machine for extremely large dies and what is that on top an exhaust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Strange, the mfg literature has it at 13,000 including anvil. I lied, My book says 17,000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 I would add a few more photos but it says I have exceeded my size limit.... Not sure how all this new fangled stuff works yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 29, 2009 Author Share Posted December 29, 2009 Looks like I made another error.... It said my "Global limit" of pictures had been reached, not allowing me to post more... so I removed all the photos in the que.... Looks like every photo I have ever posted on the site in now gone.. Bummer.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrankow Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Looks like I made another error.... It said my "Global limit" of pictures had been reached, not allowing me to post more... so I removed all the photos in the que.... Looks like every photo I have ever posted on the site in now gone.. Bummer.... Probably growing pains from the upgrade. Hopefully Glenn and crew will fix and revert your pics back in from backup. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironstein Posted December 30, 2009 Share Posted December 30, 2009 Probably growing pains from the upgrade. Hopefully Glenn and crew will fix and revert your pics back in from backup. Phil sweet job Larry! i am on vacation but am excited to help Jesse with a foundation for that beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Well Ol 236 is en route to Jesse... This has been a whole lot more work than what it looked like when I started... Of course If I would have been able to just pick it with a crane and set it on a truck it would have saved... oh maybe 35 hours and 700 miles of driving... But regardless the ol girl is safe and headed to good hands.. Another machine put to work rather than rusting away... A scale pic for Grant (no anvil, hammer only) ( the trailer is good for 14,000 GVW, I would say thats about as close as you could get) Dragin the anvil on the trailer ( This was trip 8 to the location, 125 miles round trip ) And on the truck Driver said he will be in Long Beach Monday morning.... The driver was a "good ol boy" 77 years old, I ask him if he knew who Jesse James was, he said "course, His brother Frank and Cole Younger & him got in all kinds of trouble, why you ask?" So I told him this one was a bit younger and built motorcycles and had been on TV... He said "its not that guy and his kid who fight all the time...." nope diffrent guy, "Well good, Sounds like this will be a good load, maybe I can get me a hat and a look around when I unload" Albert was his name, great guy. Not easy to come by a good long haul trucker these days... The last few I have had to deal with... Well I'll just say it was a pleasure to deal with Albert... B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hammer Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Danger Dillion... "Is this machine for extremely large dies and what is that on top an exhaust?" The Nazel "N"s are designed so large dies can be used. That tower on top is the muffler, which does translate to an exhaust. It's internal design is an integral part of the air control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Found the pictures of my Sahinler when I took it apart, didn't remember the exhaust coming straight out like that. The dovetail runs perpendicular to the die on top, I'm curious why? My Bradley is the same, but you feed material from the side. Did you weigh the anvil Larry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted December 31, 2009 Author Share Posted December 31, 2009 Found the pictures of my Sahinler when I took it apart, didn't remember the exhaust coming straight out like that. The dovetail runs perpendicular to the die on top, I'm curious why? My Bradley is the same, but you feed material from the side. Did you weigh the anvil Larry? i Didnt weight the anvil... But my 5000lb forlift would only pick it if it was sucked in right against the mast. out even 8" it would just hist the rear end in the air.. so I think with the sow block and die it was over 5K My guess on the dovetail is that if it ran the other way and got loose, or was just simply bigger than the bottom of the ram, it would hit the guides... going this way there is clearance front and back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 On my Niles the dove tail runs parallel with the die as well Murray, Little giant and most hammers I have seen. The Bradley and this Nazel are the only hammers I have seen with this perpendicular set up. In the information I have on my Bradley they talk about being able to outfit it with oversize dies. I'm considering making a set of dies to run material from the front of the Bradley so I would have this perpendicular arraignment on the dies. If I have the dove tail perpendicular to the die it seems I will run the risk of breaking off the dovetail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 Danger, isn't that the way the dovetail runs in your steam hammer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 xxxx your right, the dove tail is front to back, it works there it should work on my bradley. Haven't used it almost a year now, time to move that sucker a little closer (maybe I'll call monster moving service). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankyluckman Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 I lied, My book says 17,000 I NEED A COPY OF THAT BOOK! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sask Mark Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 Maybe these guys can help you out. The website says they have parts and literature for out of production equipment. http://www.nazel.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNewman Posted January 1, 2010 Share Posted January 1, 2010 The book is available from Bob Bergman at Postville Blacksmith shop http://www.postvilleblacksmith.com/ He has a video available on rebuilding a Nazel. I bought the video from them and they sent that book and another book on building a self contained hammer. The video is not as detailed as I had hoped for the price, but there is a lot of good information on the valving on the Nazels in the book by Mark Krause on building a hammer. The book with the pictures shown above is an old sales brochure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 The book is available from Bob Bergman at Postville Blacksmith shop http://www.postvilleblacksmith.com/nazel.php. He has a video available on rebuilding a Nazel. I bought the video from them and they sent that book and another book on building a self contained hammer. The video is not as detailed as I had hoped for the price, but there is a lot of good information on the valving on the Nazels in the book by Mark Krause on building a hammer. The book with the pictures shown above is an old sales brochure. The link doesn't seem to work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted January 1, 2010 Author Share Posted January 1, 2010 Maybe these guys can help you out. The website says they have parts and literature for out of production equipment. http://www.nazel.com/ That is Bruce Wallace who owns the rights to the Nazel name.. Bruce is a lot of things, Helpful is not one of them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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