November 9, 200916 yr ok i was wondering if it is possible to forge solid copper in a coal forge or would it melt ? havnt tryed it yet cause i dont have any copper bars
November 9, 200916 yr Hi yes you can I do it all the time even with little pieces of 3/16 round just watch it
November 9, 200916 yr Experts also have told me also to really watch it in the fire. So never turn your back on it or it will be gone. It work hardens really quickly so you have to constantly anneal it. Even when hardened it has limitations.
November 9, 200916 yr Unless you are forging large stock it is often more pleasant to forge copper cold and anneal (heat to dull red and quench) as it work hardens. A torch is useful for the annealing.
November 9, 200916 yr Author ok how often should i anneal it after every heat? and what do you mean cold by not heating it up to forge just making sure
November 9, 200916 yr I work most of my copper and silver cold. When the metal stops moving easily I anneal it by bring it up to dull red and quench. In making my rings and bracelets when it starts to look like little flakes on the surface you have worked it to long and need an anneal and quench real bad. At the tapered ends if you see little cracks start to form, that is another sign of working past time to anneal. Copper gets real stiff just prior to time to anneal.
November 9, 200916 yr Bigcity: you don't need to anneal it if you're hot working it. They're talking about cold working it. It's really a joy to hot work, and you get the "gooshy" shapes you can only get hot.
November 9, 200916 yr Make sure you clean your fire pot out very well when you finish. Copper will mess up a weld faster than I can!
November 9, 200916 yr Wear golves, it transfers heat real well too. Will burn the living stuff out of you before you can drop it when hot forging if you don't watch it. Quench the "cold" end frequently.
November 10, 200916 yr TONGS! there is no "cold end" when hot working copper that's short enough to reach the anvil with the hammer! Note too that heating copper too many times for cold working allows the build up of cupric oxide in the inter granular areas and it will get to where it can't be worked because it's brittle. So like knifemaking work as fast and with as few heats as possible. Silver is fun to hot forge too!
November 10, 200916 yr excuse me for prying into the conversation, I would understand if should heat the copper to work or is more convenient to work in cold? I want to forge something in copper ring or bracelet and I wanted some heat it in the forge my concern is the poisoning by copper, some precautions should I take on this? Thank you and sorry for my bad english I write from italy ....
November 10, 200916 yr Taz, I like that ring. Was that just copper wire that you forged out? Looks sharp!!
November 10, 200916 yr GiFerro, you need to be careful it doesn't melt. Do you have a gas forge of a solid fuel forge? If a gas forge make a little tray of stainless steel with the edges bent up so if the copper melts it's in the tray and can be easily removed. If a solid fuel forge (coal, coke, charcoal,...) You may want to insert a 5cm stainless pipe with one end crimped over into the fuel stack to make an oven to place the copper in for heating. Watch it as the stainless will degrade over time and need replacing before a hole is burnt in it. Expect to melt your piece several times before getting the right temperature *known* to your eye. Working in a very dark area can help as the top temp for copper is a very low glow usually only see-able in a dark room.
November 21, 200916 yr Author another question i had with forging copper is can you forge weld copper is it even possable? if so what kind of flux should i use? and so on
November 21, 200916 yr i agree with nakedanvil its amazing to work hot - almost like chewing gum!? must do some more and give it a go cold too..
November 21, 200916 yr Bigcity, Look up "mokume gane" on the web. It is a Japanese form of non-ferrous pattern welding. THAT is the simplest answer and not 100%. I have never attempted it but the guy who got me into beating iron turned out some beautiful stuff. There is a lot out there on it and items in this forum also. A search here should turn up a start for you. Brian
November 21, 200916 yr I've been surprised how far you can forge copper....and aluminum.. cold......without even annealing it first. The "secret" if there was one......for me anyway. Was that I did it with a set of tight radius'd fullering dies on the powerhammer. Most impressive was ...a 1/4" thick piece that I forged down to about 1/16" .....before it even BEGAN to split. And I've done a video on youtube of cold forging aluminum, not annealed first......to extremes.. the only annealing done....was to soften the Fold Formed elements to OPEN them. I've posted this on here before.....but'll add it again for anyone that hadn't seen it. YouTube - Large Scale Fold FormingFULLresVID
November 22, 200916 yr wow amazing - ive not seen that vid before - so thanks for putting it up again that was fascinating - i cant believe you got it to move so much cold without cracking it..... i will certainly try something like that:0 thanks alot orn. smith
November 25, 200916 yr I was wondering if anyone had any experiace with forge beryllium copper? I know that beryllium is added to cooper to to add strenght, but does it forge differently. Also will heating beryllium pose any health concerns?
November 25, 200916 yr I don't think that I'd work with it, I already have enough health problems without having a chronic lung problem. I would stick to regular copper.
December 30, 200916 yr I don't think that I'd work with it, I already have enough health problems without having a chronic lung problem. I would stick to regular copper. 我制做的戒指
December 31, 200916 yr Liuzengli, Nice rings are they made for beryllium copper or just an example of your work?
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