pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Be careful hitting cold metal on your anvil. I don't think I would use it for anything but hot work. I'm sure working cold metal on a new anvil would void any warranty it might have. 8 hours ago, Matthew H said: do you recommend the diamondback forges? Nothing wrong with more than one forge but didn't you say you have a three burner devil forge? Use insulating firebrick to block off part of the interior and only use as many burner's as needed. Spending another five hundred dollars this early on is kinda crazy after buying a three burner forge. Build a simple jabod forge if you want a smaller fire. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 I'll respond later that’s kinda my fault, miswritten. I can get on for free is what I meant sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I wouldn't pass up a free forge. You could pass it on to another begginer smith to help them get started if nothing else. I've heard good things about the construction and performance of diamondback forges. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Alright I’m at school, don’t have much time to respond. I can get any forge under 350 for free, because my parents are Christmas shopping (early). Just wanted to know if I should of changed my mind because I’ve heard devil forge doesn’t last as long as the diamond back forge. Thanks for your question i needed to clarify and fix my mistakes sorry. thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 All gas forges should be considered "consumables" in the smithy. Some just last longer than others...I've lost track of how many times I have relined my primary gas forge, it's about 20 years old now. I would compare how easy it was to reline various forges. Mine uses stock kaowool and plistix, etc and the shape makes it easy to reline. Having an anvil in a welding shop is rather an invitation for abuse. I'd source a big hunk of scrap steel for that. (My 410# Trenton was seriously abused by a mine maintenance shop, including air arc gouges across the otherwise beautifully flat, smooth face. Trucked it 150 miles to an anvil repair day and had a pro rebuild the face using the Gunther/Schuler method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Ok, i will try not to abuse it, and not work cold steel one it, ill get back to you guys later I’m at school currently . thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 And I am at the University currently; Staff not student however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les L Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Matthew, I agree with Tomas on having an anvil in a welding shop. I've been a professional welder/fabricator for 45 years and have never used an anvil during that work, and I have bent, grinded and beat on a lot of metal. My anvils are used only for blacksmith work. One of my anvils has edge damage in several places where someone used it to place metal they were cutting with a torch and cut into the anvil. Unfortunately they didn't learn the first time and had to continue trying to figure out how the anvil was being damaged. Build a metal table for your welding work and keep your anvil in good shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Thanks will do, I’m free to talk for one more hour. What do you teach Thomas? Is this a good deal or a rip off? It says forged steel which is the highest quality, but I’m wondering what it would look like if you stripped off the paint with a wire brush... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 At the University I'm on IT Staff; I mainly teach that UPSs don't do any good sitting in the box and backups are lifesavers. Out of the U I teach blacksmithing, bladesmithing and life skills to young folks who don't have them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 The Blacksmith and Bladesmith models from Diamondbackforge look to be pretty simple to reline. They use insulating fiberboard. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Cool. How much are your bladesmithing classes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I don't charge and I can only teach what I know. If you are interested in that facet specifically; I would suggest you look over the American Bladesmiths Society's School in Texarkana. I have one of my students just finished a 2 week course there and told me that learning the basics of smithing before he took the class was a big help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Matthew H said: I can get any forge under 350 for free, because my parents are Christmas shopping (early) The diamondback single burner knife forge is just over $350. The two burner forge is the one I've been considering and it costs $440. Devil forges aren't ready to go out of the box. Look up some reviews in the gas forge section they've both been discussed pretty thoroughly. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 From what I’m seeing it 275 dollars, you must be looking at a different forge or the customizable one, please correct me if I’m wrong through. Thanks Thomas i will be looking into it. Thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 That is the series one forge. On the diamondback forge website they are selling series three forges. I checked the prices before I posted them. The series three catalog was the first result when I just looked again. I believe you are looking at an out of date page. They may still have the series one forges for sale. Send them an email or call and find out. The difference seems to be how they are lined. The new series uses ceramic fiberboard instead of ceramic blanket. Pnut Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Do you still have to apply rigidizer on the fiberboard? And is it any better than the ceramic blanket? thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnut Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 No you don't need to apply rigidizer to the fiberboard. To be honest I haven't used a gas forge enough to say which is better. Fiberboard would be easier to reline the forge when the time comes. You need to also apply a castable refractory to the blanket because it's fragile. The fiberboard would benefit from a layer of castable refractory also but I don't think it's as important because it's not as fragile as the blanket but it is fragile. You need to put a coat of plistix on it though. You also have to use plistix or something similar on the blanket after it's rigidized and the castable is applied. The closest to ready to use out of the box is the Diamondback forge with the fiberboard lining. Pnut Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Cool, thanks for the information thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Matthew: Posting links and pages from Ebay or other commercial sites is against Iforge rules and will get you spoken to. It's okay to say go to "Uncle Bob's anvils" site, just not the link. Admin has a full time chore keeping spammers and malware like phishers off the site without having commercial sites posted every time someone wants to ask a question. Don't sweat it, there's a learning curve and we all make mistakes just don't make a habit of it. Okay? And another rule is not discussing: religion, politics, or name calling, etc. Asking what someone else's faith or church is is about as close to the line as you want to come and not often. If you really want to know or discuss one of the "forbidden" topics PM the other person. We attend ""Good Shepherd, Lutheran." Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew H Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Cool, I didn’t know about the rules, is there anymore? Also they were screenshots is that okay? I don’t send links though. thanks -Matthew H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 Yes, you signed a statement saying you'd read and understood the rules to subscribe to the forum. No, screen shots of commercial sites probably isn't okay either though I admit I'm not Admin and didn't read the rules when I signed up either. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I'm still waiting for Glenn to insert the fine print that says that all your anvils go to me upon your demise; but I'm becoming afraid I should have not mentioned that possibility to him. I better go back and review them myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JHCC Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 16 hours ago, Frosty said: No, screen shots of commercial sites probably isn't okay either though I admit I'm not Admin and didn't read the rules when I signed up either. Screen shots are generally okay; it's live links that are the issue. If you need an image to illustrate what you're asking or trying to convey, go for it. Another option would be to copy the image from the site and paste it into a comment, like: Quote Hey, I saw this great looking double-horn anvil on the website for Holland Anvils. Anyone here used one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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