JPH Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 Hello: well I just got off the phone with my suppliers and they no longer sell 1045/1050...anyone knows where I can get some 1/4" 1 1/4" flat bar?? 1060 and better I can find but 1045/50 I am getting skunked... Thanks all JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted September 24, 2007 Share Posted September 24, 2007 This link sells 1065 Ellis Custom Knifeworks - Custom Knives, Straight Razors, Display Cases, and Refractory Supplies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbaknife Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Try this link:Southern Tool Steel, Inc. - Advanced Search Then click on the "Available Criterea". You may need to give them a call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 Rich: I have enough 60 pt stuff around here so that link I will file away....I just sent in for a quote from Southern Toold Steel..will see what they have to say...Thanks KBA JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Martin Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 Jim, Marty Brant in Eugene, OR had some 1050, IIRC. His email address is oubob747@aol.com. I bought a bit of 1050 from him last April at the show in Eugene. Give him a try. Flower, Genteel Manhood?...You haven't turned hippy on me have you? Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted September 25, 2007 Author Share Posted September 25, 2007 Gene: Ok...Who left the door open?? Man they'll let anyone join here..(well that is true cause I am here...) Welcome...and Thank You!! I just fired off a note to him. Well you forgot the passionately purple part..I figured I may as well acknowledge the fact that I am at times a blooming idiot with some of the dumb things I have done over the years....heh heh heh....Never expected to live this long (to the dismay of both my friends and my enemies...).. Just need the 1045/1050 for some stuff for book 4...I have all the notes that we wrote when Bob Engnath was alive and we were figuring out the yakiba stuff. It would be a downright shame if this information were to be lost and even though I do NOT like doing the "Japanese stuff" (for numerous reasons...) I feel like I owe this to Bob (I miss that man to this very day...) to make sure that all the work he and I did will stay "mainstream".. JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Martin Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hi jim, Yeah, Mike told me about this forum. He didn't tell me I had to wear a tie to get in. If Marty didn't have any 1050 left, I checked and I have one piece. It's 3/16 x 1.5 by 4 1/2. I can send it to you oif you can't find any other. I'm glad to see you doing what you are. Bob had quite an effect on both of us. He did a video, unedited, of clay tempering. I don't know whether you ever saw it. I had a copy that got stolen when I got burg'd in 2004, but a friend had made a copy. He's burning me a copy so now I'll have one again. If you don't have one, I'll burn you a copy. I wish i had it a week ago. I've a custoner that I do tanto blades for. He's been wanting me to clay temper. I did one blade and it actually came out okay. I used 1060. So I did 6 more out of 1065. Every single one cracked. I did it to the best of my recollection as how Bob did it. Obviously I missed something. I think what I missed is that do stock remove these, I need to normalize and anneal before heat treat. Just too many stresses trying to get out when it hits the water. I had to do 6 more for the guy, so I clay coated them and quenched in oil. The hamons actually came out pretty good, and better yet, no cracks. So obviously I need to do things a bit different. While 1065 isn't that expensive, I hate throwing away a couple of days labor. It goes back to life being a learning experience. So, I'm coming to similarly dislike some of this Janese stuff. But if were easy, everybody would be doing it I guess. Let me know about the 1050. I still have your address, as far as I know, so I can mail you some. Do you want a copy of that video? Heck, you might have several, but I have to ask. Passionately Purple Cactus Flower....right. But creative. I like that. Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Salvati Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Gene I would love a copy of that video! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Turner Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Gene, If I told you, you had to be wearing a tie you probably would not have come . OK Jim you asked I delivered, does this mean you'll sign my copy of book 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdent Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 If the 1050 leads are coming up empty, Ray Kirk (rakerknives.com) has some 1053 in large bar. He offers a mill rolling service to break it down to smaller bar stock if needed. I thought to mention it because he's a great guy to deal with. Good luck, Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candidquality Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Tool Steel Service-Ground Flat Stock and Drill Rod Might have some but it's best if you contact them to find out. might want to look at their drops for sale section as well. For those of us who don't make knives, is there any reason to use 1045 over 1060, or is it just for this specific style it was close to what was originally available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 Gene: I know about the video.seen it a few times....typical Bob.....Old Bob was suppose to get me a copy but the rat up and died on us before he did...Man I miss him...he and Stevie (who isn't doing too well now) are the Godparents of my three children. So if ya could I would like a copy ...THANK YOU... On the cracking...1060?? Ok how warm was the water?? 1060 cracks if water isn't warm enough, that is why we suggested oil for anything over 1055. Now even 1095 can be water hardened, it IS a "water hardening" steel...but when "water hardening" is mentioned the mills do not mean tap water, rather they mean some sort of brine. I use a mix of sodium hydroxide, ammonia nitrate (blue salts), salt and some grease cutting soap (like "Dawn" or that Shaklee stuff IF you can find it). This works great with the 1045/1050 and cracking is held to a minimum plus the lines are just gorgeous. So far I am skunked on the 1045 flat....so the next step is if I can't find any is to flatten out the 1045 round I have here I use for tooling....I really don't want to as that takes time and time translates into $$$ that I have to charge down the road. So I will look around some more to see if I can find any....the 1053 that was mentioned could be used so I will look into that as well...(thanks Craig...) Well I have a busy day..best to get out to it...gotta finish up that shortsword (all I need to do is the sheath....Gawd I hate leather work..), plus finish up a PW dirk and a PW Basilard and then forge out a couple of turkish pieces... So back to the salt mines... JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gene Martin Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Jim, Yeah, Bob could get involved in things. I miss him too. Sorry to hear about Stevie, she's a sweet lady. As soon as I get the dvd back rom my friend I'll burn you a copy. And one for aprenticeman, too. The water was cool to start with, much warmer by the third blade when it cracked. When I watched Bob doing this at his shop he had a garden hose running in the quench tank to keep things cool. Maybe the last 3 wouldn't have cracked if I'd let the water keep warming up rather than adding some cold to it. Jim Ferguson told ne that he always heated his water to 180 for his 1095/nickel damascus. I use oil for 1095. Sorry you got skunked with Marty. He usually has something good squirrelled away. I've only been able to get 1050 in round stock locally, and that's ordered in from Portland. Good steel is getting harder to get. BTW, my brother works for a very large fence company. They were told to expect a 20% increase in price the first of the year. I love it. Anyhow, I need to get to work, too. When I get my dvd from Winkley i'll burn you a copy and get it off to you. During the filming they had to shut it off twice because sirens passing by cut Bob off. Living in a large metro area is so much fun. That's why I like the sticks. If we hear sirens, it's probably real serious. L8R Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Turner Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Jim have you tried Pacific machine and tool steel company .Plate Products1045 Hot Rolled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted September 26, 2007 Author Share Posted September 26, 2007 Mike: They were the first I called...they only have the plate and I have no way to cut it and to have them shear it into strips would be a whole lotta filthy lucre...I need like two or three full length sticks..that's all I need... JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 I have about a 3' piece of 1050 in 5/8 sq, if that is of any use to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted October 1, 2007 Author Share Posted October 1, 2007 Ok...I give up...ALL my leads are coming up empty on 1045/1050 flat......HELP!!! All I need are two or three bars of 1 1/4" x 1/4....geeze..isn't there ANYWHERE than has this?? HELP!!! JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy k Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Have you tried Atlas Metals? - JK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy k Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Sorry I was looking the Atlas Metals website overseas...Atlas Metals :: Chrome Bar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torin Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 One Source Metal Products Canadian store...don't know if they will ship to the US, and their products aren't broken down more than general categories. Too late to call today.Discount Steel - The widest selection of steel, aluminum and other metals at discount prices. List 1045 in their barstock section, but don't break it down. Too late to call today.Impact Metal Products - Steel, high yield strength, low temp charpys & abrasion resistant flats Has 1045 rounds, and says to call and ask about other shapes. Too late to call. Tried a few other places on the phone, but none had 1045 flat bar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Salvati Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 Local place by me sells 1045 in round shafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLOB Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 the only thing I've found is round shaft in 1045Yarde Metals Online Catalog 1045GP -RD Page thier "drop zone" changes quite often and some might show up. I've bought from them a couple times and had no problems with thier online orders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmercier Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 It's becomming increasingly hard to find many different formerly 'common' alloys of steel (even simple steels) which are supurb for blade smithing. This is unfortunate really, as it's forcing smiths to either use another material, or get a custom melt. I know that I really like 1084 for blades, but the only source for 1084 currently is Aldo Bruno & Mace Vitale who went together to purchase a large amount at once tagging along with another corporation's custom melt, and it's a very limited suply... once it's gone, it's gone. I'll check, but I believe the fastenal in my town had some flatbar 1045 in around 2" x 1/4" x 5' but that was a while ago, and I dont see 1045 on the fastenal catelog anymore except as square bar. if you've got a press or a mill or a power hammer, you could pick up a large amount of 1045 from fastenal in square stock for not too expensive and draw it out in a relativly short time. A short piece of 1" square will go a long ways drawn to 1.25x.25 and I've seen Derrik Wulf up in vermont draw down a 1" square of W2 12 inches long to close to that dimensions in a single heat with his Bull power hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 JM: have you tried security steel at 1-800-222-5160 for the 1084??? they have a whole lotta 10xx stuff...just no 1045/50 flat... they have some 3/16" x 1 1/4" and there abouts JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPH Posted October 2, 2007 Author Share Posted October 2, 2007 Hopwdy: OK..found some 1044....from Central steel and Wire up in Ill or Mi I do believe..now they give the specs and between 40 and 50 points C..I am a bit leery on getting any as this is getting pretty low for even a shallow hardening steel...Anyone play with this stuff any?? at $2.00 and change a pound that's the best deal I can do...unless I want to flatten out round stock... JPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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