ironsmith Posted September 15, 2012 Share Posted September 15, 2012 decided to try out some dies Brian Brazeal and Lyle left with me for the power hammer, below is the hammer i just made. and since i do not have a striker i made a punch for the power hammer thats the picture that isn't a hammer LOL. cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pug}{maN Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 cool ! its a hammer ! :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinculo Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Would love to see pictures of the dies and how the mount on your power hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 well here is a picture of the dies used for cheeking, and the fullering for the hammer. I need to make a die for cupping now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieryFurnace Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 Under the hammer, how do you keep the punch from sticking in the hammer blank when you are pounding it under a power hammer? What type of hammer and what type of throw does it have? Are you still practicing the hit and remove the punch, process like Brian uses with a striker? I have and air hammer with a 12-inch throw. I need to weld my extra set of hump tools to some bottom dies, make a cupping die, and figure out a way to punch under the PH. Like Brian says, a punch press is the ideal, but that's not in the list of shop additions anytime soon here.....in the mean time, I'd like to be able to make a few hammers, and I don't have a striker! How much does that hammer weigh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 the punch pictured is the one i used, it took three heats to punch the eye. I did not have any problem with the punch sticking too badly. my "biscuit" did not come out to well so well and I had a ragged edge inside the hole. the punch was made from H-13 and welded to a mild steel handle. I to need to make a cupping tool for my hammer. Also I have a clay spencer tire hammer, I used just a piece of half inch plate with no die welded to it for the clearance i needed to punch the hole. hope that helps. I need to weigh the hammer but i am guessing about 2 lbs? Are you still practicing the hit and remove the punch, process like Brian uses with a striker? When i punched the hole i just went a few hits took it out to check and went back at it, no need to hit and move if your straight and level on a power hammer, it seems but I am a newb at it so.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 and figure out a way to punch under the PH. Hi Dave, Consider using a bolster plate on a handle to allow your punching through, although it can be done from both sides ,and then the slug/pellet knocked as you normally would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Ive been wanting to get the shop manuals available from brent bailey, he has used a ph to punch holes for a hammer. he's out of them for the moment.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinculo Posted September 16, 2012 Share Posted September 16, 2012 I made some similar cheeking dies for my 110 lb home made utility hammer. Brian also gifted me a cupping die that I welded tabs on so that I can slip it over the bottom die of my iron kiss 75 and remove it quickly to accommodate shocking the punch free if necessary. My punch is made from 5160 and I cool it after every couple hits as I would with a striker. Another tip Brian taught me was to slightly square the hammer stock prior to punching. It made a big difference for me. I would like to try and make some h13 punches. Did you do anything special when welding it to the mild handle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 16, 2012 Author Share Posted September 16, 2012 Clay spencer suggests preheating tool steals before welding to mild. I didn't bother as it is only 5/8" h13, welding to a piece of 1/4 mild i figured there would be plenty of penetration to do the job... worked on this one, will see on the next LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gaddis Posted September 17, 2012 Share Posted September 17, 2012 I watched Brian and Kaenan punch through 2 1/2 round stock Saturday by hand. Remember that the first punch is quite fat in appearance as well as being a bit stubby. So that means it is very strong. After a pretty darn deep penetration he switches over to a more slim design. The thinner, slimmer design has much less resistance going into the metal because most of the sides are not in contact ! After the hole has been made then the drifting process begins for the basic eye form. BTW that was for a flatter that weighs about 6 1/4 pounds. They made two in one day out of some tough mystery metal. They still used a cupping tool along with the flatters...and a whole lot-a-banging. Carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 17, 2012 Author Share Posted September 17, 2012 I saw some pics on facebook of that david, here is a pic of the finished hammer, got some cool colors on it but i am afraid the flat die didn't draw too well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gaddis Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 That seems to be a really neat hammer! Almost kind of antique-like. Anyway it should become a private treasure and to be well used by yourself. Yeah Brian may make a prettier one, but yours looks just fine to me. If you have any kids they too will want to keep that thing as a special memory object. Carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagGeorge Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Whoever said it’s not a hammer! It is a hammer to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 nice looking hammer. I make a hammer by myself in an hour Today I used a piece of A-2 to make a slitter and did it under the power hammer it worked well the key is having a big surface to come in contact with the top die, to thin and it wants to roll out to one side. most of my big hammers are 4-5 pounds 4340 2 1/4" dia. I have an old Champion I am working on spring dies to separate out the faces, but that is really not my style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted September 21, 2012 Share Posted September 21, 2012 I have welded alot of tool steel to mild handles. All of them H 13 or S 7. Many of my first attempts cracked at the weld, some did not. i solved this by this simple method: I take the pieces in place and then heat to a dull red. i weld together and heat to non magnetic,,Into a bucket of vermiculite til the next day. I remove and heat just the working end in a coal fire until non magnetic. Then air cool until cool to the touch. My handles were for hand work and welded to the sides of the tools. This method leaves the struck end softer than my hammer and the working end right for its task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOblacksmith0530 Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 I like the hammer and I have several punches I used origionally under a tire hamer and how have a 50 lb little giant in the same place. If I could make one critique of your punch I would say to make it larger so that the cutting edge is not wider than the stock behind it. I made one like that a few yeas ago and all was going well until I gave it a hit while it was not straight in the hole I was making and the metal closed up behind the cutting edge and I almost didn't get it back out. That was under the power hammer and one hit can really get it stuck. If it is wider behind the cutting edge the metal can't close up behind it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 I noticed the edge was bigger on the tip, I will take your advice and grind it back. good tip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyler Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Hey thats a nice hammer!!!better than i could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 well, just made another one today. Came out way better than this one! I will post pics in a week as it's in my friends shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camero68 Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 That is one slamming hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted October 3, 2012 Share Posted October 3, 2012 I made a few this week 4 Japanese style and 6 rounding hammers ranging from 4#-3#. they are 4130 great steel to work with next handles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Gaddis Posted October 7, 2012 Share Posted October 7, 2012 They look to me to be much larger than the posted weights... I bet they will be a nice collection when completed. Now I am looking forward to making some hammers under my power hammer, since friends have given me the information about adjusting my hammer. It sure works better now. But first will be to make a flatter for the powerhammer carry on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironsmith Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 well, here is another hammer i made this weekend, I believe my fuller dies are just a wee bit small for this size hammer, it weighs in around 4 lbs. had to punch the hole by hand by myself. other than that it was all on the PH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 way to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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