harrismetalsmith Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Here are some photos of my restored Nazel 2B. Serial #1284. It was originally sold in 1929. I bought it from an industrial forge shop I worked at, in Philadelphia, that shut down. I replaced the ram ring, cushion plug, cushion plug bushing, and rebuilt the studs for the ram collar. At some point in it's history someone had shocked the collar, and cracked out several studs. The ram guides were restored, as well as the leather seal. I also rebuilt the two control valves, that I showed on the Nazel Hammer Valve post. All of the linkage and rods were, tightened up and rebuilt, and the valve timing was corrected. When I first powered up the hammer, it would not draw up into the housing, like it is supposed to. All that is corrected now, and the machine works extremely well. Good control and power. On the piston side I rebuilt the connecting rod bushing, the piston rings, and the wrist pin. Work was also done tightening the two main bushings up. The main fly wheel gear teeth were striped out, and the main crank shaft has the slightest bend in it so I ellected to set it up as a clutch belt drive. The clutch arm takes the play of the crank shaft, instead of the stress going to the bearings. This also enables an easy start for the 3 phase motor. Almost every part had to be rebuilt to some extent. This was a huge investment of time and money over a period of about 5 years. I will post a video of it in action at a later date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike-hr Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 It's beautiful. I got that tumbling feeling in my guts when looking at the pictures. Nice job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sask Mark Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Very nice! Nicely equipped shop as well. Was it a option for the 2B's to be a 1 piece vs. a 2 piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 Very nice! Nicely equipped shop as well. Was it a option for the 2B's to be a 1 piece vs. a 2 piece? Yes it was an option for the 2B's to be a 1 or 2 piece hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DClaville Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 looks like youve done a great job bringing it back to life would love to see it forging some steel in a video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosterob Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Love to see these machines kept alive and being used. Nice work, waiting for video. If you have it could you do a piece of 3" bar? Someone on another post thinks there is no way a 2b can work 3" without the bar being at nuclear temperature. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Now I'm suffering powerhammer envy in spades. That's a beautiful job you've done, my hat's off to you. Frosty the Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted October 12, 2010 Author Share Posted October 12, 2010 Thank you everyone for the nice compliments. Fosterob, there is no doubt in my mind this machine could handle a 3" bar. I will do something big in the video. After all the first thing I did with it was forge a vase out of a piece 3" by 4", 6" tall. I don't know who said that, but I forged 1" by 3" , ON EDGE, with the little 35 lb. Champion #0 seen in the bottom picture. Many times. 2B denotes a 200 lb. size hammer. I have been a full time blacksmith since I was 16. I am now 30. In all that time 95% of the power hammer work that I did was on trip hammers. My only air hammer experience was a 100 lb. Khun. What blows my mind about the Nazel is not only the power of the blow, but the squeeze it gives with each blow. The original Nazel hammer book describes it as a clinging blow. Other litature I found described it as a kneading type blow. It forges 3" material, and it will move it at an orange heat, but like any hammer it will move it at faster at a yellow heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 I just wanted to throw out there that 2b does not indicate a 200lb hammer. The nazel numbers do no coralate with weight. A 1b is around 80 lbs a 2 B around 160 a 3b about 265 and A 4b is 500 a 5b is about 700-ish a 6b around 1000lbs and a 7b is 1500. Those numbers are rough and from memory other than I know the ram in my 3b is 265 lbs with the die Anyone have the "real" numbers? Nazel did not put it in the cut sheet info, only the "rated steam weight" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 And I was going to say beautiful job. You put a lot of work into that thing but most likely you will never have to do more than oil and maintain it. Now comes the fun part! Using it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Hammer Posted October 12, 2010 Share Posted October 12, 2010 Matt.... Great job getting the 2B running. I'm looking forward to seeing it hit some hot steel on the 23rd... Monstermetal... My 3B is about 285 lbs with the die. The 1B is close to 70 lbs with the die. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad J Posted October 13, 2010 Share Posted October 13, 2010 Beautiful hammer! and a very nice shop!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 Monstermetal, yes the 2 in 2B does not exactly stand for 200. I am aware that the ram does not weigh 200, as well. I have a copy of the Nazel book and all they say is the "steam rated" size. I figure with the steam rating being 250 and the ram weighing 160 to 180, it is safe to rate it around a 200 lb. hammer. I need to replace the leather seal soon so when I pull the ram I will weigh it. I put a "new" leather seal cut from some old leather material I had on hand, and now that I have run the hammer in a bit it is leaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted October 14, 2010 Share Posted October 14, 2010 They seem to have increased the weight over time. My 4-B ram and top die weighed right on 500 pounds. My 2-B ram and top die weighed 180. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted October 14, 2010 Author Share Posted October 14, 2010 They seem to have increased the weight over time. Yes things get heavier over time. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted January 15, 2011 Author Share Posted January 15, 2011 Here is a video of the hammer in action. The chunck is 2" by 3" scrap, 4" long. It is 14" long at the end of the heat. You'll notice the top die is short I plan on making a new die the correct height, this will also alow me to set the anvil lower and increase the stroke from 9 1/2" to the factory 12". The clacking sound you hear is the belt drive. A bit noisier than usual, but necessary, because the gear teath are stripped out on this hammer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wassomeoneelse Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Here is a video of the hammer in action. The chunck is 2" by 3" scrap, 4" long. It is 14" long at the end of the heat. You'll notice the top die is short I plan on making a new die the correct height, this will also alow me to set the anvil lower and increase the stroke from 9 1/2" to the factory 12". The clacking sound you hear is the belt drive. A bit noisier than usual, but necessary, because the gear teath are stripped out on this hammer. Over here in Baton Rouge, LA, I know where a Nazel 2B is just sitting in front of a shop on a concrete pad. The guy has no want to ever restore or use it. But it belonged to his dad. It is slowly rusting away. Plus, that thing is huge. If anybody is interested, I will get his contact info for ya. Someone may know how to connect with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmike Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Awesome hammer in a lovely shop It seems that the dies faces are not parallel as your work always turn to a 'banana' pointing to the right. I hope it comes from worn dies and dissapear when you'll change them otherwise the anvil might have tilted a bit to the right... It beautifully handles 3" stock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 Just finished re setting this puppy this afternoon. The bottom die is now at a comfortable height, and I have gained a full 3" of stroke with the new properly sized upper die. Excited to run it with the new setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fe-Wood Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Envy, Envy Nice job for sure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Furrer Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 I just wanted to throw out there that 2b does not indicate a 200lb hammer. The nazel numbers do no coralate with weight. A 1b is around 80 lbs a 2 B around 160 a 3b about 265 and A 4b is 500 a 5b is about 700-ish a 6b around 1000lbs and a 7b is 1500. Those numbers are rough and from memory other than I know the ram in my 3b is 265 lbs with the die Anyone have the "real" numbers? Nazel did not put it in the cut sheet info, only the "rated steam weight" As per conversation with Bruce Wallace some ten years ago. light heavy 1B 65 75 2B 165 200 3B 250 300 4B 350 425 5B 600 760 6B 800 1000 (speculation on my part, but at that point who cares..it hits hard) Ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 :D I have always wanted an original copy of the Nazel Hammer Book. Well today my old boss gave me one. It is a fantastic piece of early forging literature. No, it is not for sale. The graphic on the cover was embossed. Shows you that in 1927 a catalog was a companies face not a web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Major score there Matt, I have a copy that is missing a page that cost me $80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Hvass Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 I have always wanted an original copy of the Nazel Hammer Book. Well today my old boss gave me one. It is a fantastic piece of early forging literature. No, it is not for sale. The graphic on the cover was embossed. Shows you that in 1927 a catalog was a companies face not a web site.IMG_20110420_212659.jpgIMG_20110420_212747.jpg hi there is it posible to get a photo without hands? i have a 2b in Denmark and havng a hard time to find indformation about the hammer? kindly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Hvass Posted March 6, 2013 Share Posted March 6, 2013 can anyone tell me what is wrong when my b2 does not lift the piston all the way up in the cylinder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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