Preach on John!!! Had a kid, well he's 20yrs old, come to my shop 2 months ago wanting to learn how to run a bead in pipe to pass a welding test. He had just got out of the "Tulsa Welding School" in Tulsa, OK. He could not do it and after watching him weld I doubt that he will ever make a good welder. BUT!! his 'deploma' from the school reads "Billy Bob Smith" Master Welder! We have tested welders here that have welded for years and not be able to pass our test. And it is fairly simple, 6G- 6010 root and hot pass, fill n cap with 7018, 6" sch. 80 cs pipe. Absolutely NO IP in root, 100% X-Ray. Went through over 60 "welders" in less than a month and offered a job to 7.