the branch Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 Greetings! So I was at a local antique shop today and found they have four anvils for sale. It does seem like they are of the same design which I guess is hungarian/ austrian (not queit sure). the first one is a guess at about 35kg. The second at 46, the third at 39 and the big one at 48kg. The only one that has a marking is the biggest one which has a JEB on the side, and looks well used. I am contemplating buying the second one which is the only one not eather marred or bulged. But wanted to show you guys them. Because I know you love anvilpictures =P I am wondering tough. Are theese just some "knockoffs" from some known designs? Or is it the costum to not mark theese types? Only one I´ve found are http://www.anvilfire.com/anvils/ferd_anvil_004.php. Afaik they do have good rebound. Only had a iron rod to test them with, but it did bouce well. Tomorrow I´ll bring a hammer :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 could not get the anvilfire link to work but I have an anvil of this general type it has the same feet the same central column rather than waist the same angled shelf on one side it is in need of much work as it has in the past been broken and welded very badly, the break was from below the horn to the table and most of the plate is missing from the table too, 2 ugly pieces of plate have been welded on the sides to fix it a long time ago. one day when I get time I will do what I can to repair it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 16, 2014 Author Share Posted July 16, 2014 could not get the anvilfire link to work but I have an anvil of this general type it has the same feet the same central column rather than waist the same angled shelf on one side it is in need of much work as it has in the past been broken and welded very badly, the break was from below the horn to the table and most of the plate is missing from the table too, 2 ugly pieces of plate have been welded on the sides to fix it a long time ago. one day when I get time I will do what I can to repair it There is truly something very sad about badly treated anvils. Altough they do tell a nice story :P It does seem (after lurking a bit on german forums) that its probably a cast anvil. But the slim heel could indicate that its forged. since the cast ones generally have thicker heels. I did find some JEB ones which are kind of the middle european equivalent of a peddinghaus or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted July 16, 2014 Share Posted July 16, 2014 the one I have is forged I think and weighs about 50 to 60kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 the one I have is forged I think and weighs about 50 to 60kg I think its probably the same then? Does it have any numbers on the sides? mine has a 15 and a 16(or 18) on the side without the slope, where the logo is. On the side with the slope it has a area where there was writing. but its so worn that its hard to see anything but vague shadows of letters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arftist Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 46 kilo is close to the smallest practical anvil shop anvil. If the 46 is much better than the 48, by all means choose that one. I love the German style and all the pictures you posted are quite beautiful. There is nothing wrong with a cast steel anvil for the most part. Cast iron without a steel top plate is another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Hi! I have to run right now, but the with the long writing on the side (post #5, pic 2) is Hungarian made, cast steel, tool steel plate anvil, post WW2. Gonna be back, and try to say more. Maybe tomorrow. Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the iron dwarf Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 mine is hidden under a bench at the moment and cant be got at, dont think it had any markings but the 2 big bits of plate welded on it could cover them. will look later to see if I can find any pictures I taken of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 46 kilo is close to the smallest practical anvil shop anvil. If the 46 is much better than the 48, by all means choose that one. I love the German style and all the pictures you posted are quite beautiful. There is nothing wrong with a cast steel anvil for the most part. Cast iron without a steel top plate is another story. My bad on the weight! It seems its the length of the face. The one I bought, the "46", is 53,8kg. The bigger one was in much worse shape, compared to mine which only has some dings, alltough some are a bit bigger, but still just dings. It has a lovely rebound and a modest ring. Hi! I have to run right now, but the with the long writing on the side (post #5, pic 2) is Hungarian made, cast steel, tool steel plate anvil, post WW2. Gonna be back, and try to say more. Maybe tomorrow. Gergely Looking forward to it :P I found out that its pretty much the same as one of the ones on anvilfire. http://www.anvilfire.com/anvils/ferd_anvil_012.php Just lighter. mine is hidden under a bench at the moment and cant be got at, dont think it had any markings but the 2 big bits of plate welded on it could cover them. will look later to see if I can find any pictures I taken of it Is it hiding from the people who rewelded it before? ^^ Well it is just a bit of curiosity, nothing to straign your back for :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 17, 2014 Author Share Posted July 17, 2014 Here are some more pictures. The face with all its dings, Some chipping in the front. And what it looks like on the bottom. Because, hey! Some people like that too :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njanvilman Posted July 17, 2014 Share Posted July 17, 2014 Thanks for posting the photos of the anvils. I think those anvils with the stepped feet are beautiful. If there wasn't a big pond between here and there, I would have bought them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 18, 2014 Author Share Posted July 18, 2014 Thanks for posting the photos of the anvils. I think those anvils with the stepped feet are beautiful. If there wasn't a big pond between here and there, I would have bought them all. I do agree! Very happy that i found them. I am contemplating buying the biggest one too, but my anglegrinder broke so ill have to buy me a new one of those. An extra for me is that this design seems to have roots in the Styrian part of austria, which is where I was born :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Hi Branch, I'm sorry for the long run. I try to give all I have about it. Which, unfortunately isn't too much. Like I said last time it's cast steel, and I think there a tool steel plate, but it isn't confirmed just my experience. Date of making is 1947-1957, because post 1957 MSZ sign was used to show what technical standard is applied to that very object. I couldn't find MNOSZ1300 itself, which would have shown us more interesting details. About the maker see http://www.anvilfire.com/anvils/ferd_anvil_012.php it's all correct there. Bests and use it well, it's a rarity even here! Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 23, 2014 Author Share Posted July 23, 2014 Hi Branch, I'm sorry for the long run. I try to give all I have about it. Which, unfortunately isn't too much. Like I said last time it's cast steel, and I think there a tool steel plate, but it isn't confirmed just my experience. Date of making is 1947-1957, because post 1957 MSZ sign was used to show what technical standard is applied to that very object. I couldn't find MNOSZ1300 itself, which would have shown us more interesting details. About the maker see Thank you for the reply! Very interesting! I guess the numbers on the side indicate the weight of the piece then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 Thank you for the reply! Very interesting! I guess the numbers on the side indicate the weight of the piece then? It's really my pleasure. I'm so glad that someone here can use a Hungarian anvil. Mine is almost indentical to yours: the shape, the weight is almost the same. It was also made in the same factory only pre WW2. Back then those anvils got only RIMA sign and no numbers. I can't find anything about the numbering. Yours is 54 kg, and the numbers are 15 and 16. The pictures below show a 107 kg version of the same production type. The number is 67. I'm no math wiz and can't see the relation between the numbering and the weight. My intuition says that numbering can refer to the mistycal technical standard. Maybe the numbers are the type numbers given in the standard. Who knows?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 24, 2014 Author Share Posted July 24, 2014 It's really my pleasure. I'm so glad that someone here can use a Hungarian anvil. Mine is almost indentical to yours: the shape, the weight is almost the same. It was also made in the same factory only pre WW2. Back then those anvils got only RIMA sign and no numbers. I can't find anything about the numbering. Yours is 54 kg, and the numbers are 15 and 16. The pictures below show a 107 kg version of the same production type. The number is 67. I'm no math wiz and can't see the relation between the numbering and the weight. My intuition says that numbering can refer to the mistycal technical standard. Maybe the numbers are the type numbers given in the standard. Who knows?... s anvil 107kg2.jpg s anvil 107kg3.jpg oooooh! Thats a lovely one! One thing is sure, anvilmakers could have a fair shot at encrypting things. Theese systems are very queer. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingXS Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Nice score on the anvils. I think they are a really nice design, practical doesn't have to mean boring. I was wondering what the purpose of the angled flat running of the side of the face has?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 oooooh! Thats a lovely one! Well, then check out this mammoth baby! 260 kg - the biggest Hungarian I've ever heard of. (There are bigger ones, but I'm not sure of their origin.) I have my eyes on it, but have not the money for it :( . I was wondering what the purpose of the angled flat running of the side of the face has?? I don't know the official answer, but I use it rarely to forge some angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 25, 2014 Author Share Posted July 25, 2014 Well, then check out this mammoth baby! 260 kg - the biggest Hungarian I've ever heard of. (There are bigger ones, but I'm not sure of their origin.) I have my eyes on it, but have not the money for it :( . 260 kg anvil.jpg 260 kg anvil2.jpg I don't know the official answer, but I use it rarely to forge some angles. -DROOL- I don´t know what the angle is designed for. But I´ll find a use for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 27, 2014 Share Posted July 27, 2014 Today I saw a JEB anvil, 75-80 kg. It is said to be German made but still no confirmation for that. I tested its rebound and it was awful dead. No conclusions, just telling the story... Bests Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the branch Posted July 28, 2014 Author Share Posted July 28, 2014 Today I saw a JEB anvil, 75-80 kg. It is said to be German made but still no confirmation for that. I tested its rebound and it was awful dead. No conclusions, just telling the story... Bests Gergely I think the JEBs are Austrian. too sad about it beeing dead tough. The one I found did make some noice. I guess its cast without a steel plate. Cause it was still kicking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gergely Posted July 28, 2014 Share Posted July 28, 2014 You can be very much right, because Hungary has always have better contacts with Austria as Germany. Also we Hungarians sometimes tend to confuse the words German and Austrian. At least Austrian can be said to German. Maybe that was the case here, too. Interestingly the JEB did ring nice on the horn, but the rebound was nothing. Greetings Gergely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgi H Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Back then those anvils got only RIMA sign and no numbers. Hi Gergely, That is very interesting and informative statement to me because I have an anvil that has RIMA-BALKAN sign on it. I have been trying to find info about it unsuccessfully so far. Weight is 51 kg , has some lettering and numbering on the side of the base. Good ring and rebound. Probably cast steel. Any more info on those would be highly appreciated ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgi H Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Here are some pics of my anvil in question ( post#23 ). Hardie hole is 2.5 cm. Greetings - George Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaughnT Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 I would dearly love to get one of those beauties with the stepped feet and angled side face. I don't have any use for yet another anvil, but those babies are just so incredibly "anvil-ish" that I want one! They look like something you'd find in a dwarven smithy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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