Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 my father found this piece of iron can this be a begginer anivl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maillemaker Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Any sturdy surface can be an anvil. Before iron anvils were made, blacksmiths used large, flat-topped rocks. Some still do. If you can shape another piece of metal on it, it is an anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 but its have conus shape would that be a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Change its shape Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 it"s hardened steel its making big noissse when you hit at it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Did you heat it first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 That is an old wagon axle its a bit light to use as an anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 no i dont heat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Heat it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrankow Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 Yes, even though the face is small. The face of your anvil should be at least a little larger than the face of the hammer you are using. You may want to cut the bar off flat on one end so you can stand it upright instead of flat on its side. If you burry the end in a log, and maybe some dirt to get the right height, it will be less loud. Drill a hole in the log first. If you insist on using it flat on the side use some chain and bolts to pull the bar down solid to your stump so it cannot move. It will be much more quiet after doing this. Since it seems you live in a rural area, look for a large chunk of heavy stone like granite or basalt. 25-50 kg (100 kg if you can manage it) with a flatish face. While not anywhere near ideal, it will work until you can get better. Rock will crack and spall under heat, but some types are more resistant than others. Also find your way over to Anvilfire.com under FAQ's they have a guide on dressing anvil edges. It is worth a look. They do not permit deep linking, so I can't post a link. You may also want a taller stump to set up on. Anvil height is determined by the body size of the person using it. When you stand upright, with your arms at your side, and your fingers curled into a loose fist, like holding a hammer, the anvil face should be at your knuckles. Higher, to about your wrist while standing upright is acceptable, but may be too high for anything but light work. Lower is useful for heavier work. Stepping up onto something to raise your height makes the anvil lower with a higher anvil. A flattened mound of dirt, or a strong wooden platform of adequate size so you can't step off accidentally are means to adjust your height to the anvil small amounts. Other anvil heights can be useful, even on the ground for upsetting long bars has been used! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 You and Powers would have people forging on stale bagles if you thought it would work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 i cant heat this iron it"S imposible to me i cant heat a file even this is imposible to heat to heat this you need blast furnance! I have some rocks but i think that they split or get crack and go to my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrankow Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 You and Powers would have people forging on stale bagles if you thought it would work. Some stale bagles are impressively hard! LOL The rock, and this shaft are both far from ideal, but without anything better available it will work, at least for small stuff. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 14, 2012 Author Share Posted October 14, 2012 yes i think i can make a knife on this shaft or on stone without craking stone in my eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted October 14, 2012 Share Posted October 14, 2012 You would be better off using a sledge hammer head set in concrete in a bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VaughnT Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 "You would be better off using a sledge hammer head set in concrete in a bucket." Truer words have never been spoken. A heavy sledge, half buried, requires almost no work to become a working anvil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0gynuxJnH0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 this is water powered mill who heat that fire and make energy for hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 For over 2000 years the "common" anvil shape was like a cube of metal with a spike on the bottom to set it in a tree stump. The closer you can get to that shape the better. (I have found examples of this type of anvil from Roman times through the 1700's) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 i have a sledge hammer will i break it if i hiting it on hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Hale Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 If you cannot heat this steel how will you forge anything youi wish? I understand that where youi live is holding you back a lot but youi will have to be very creative and find things you can use for a forge and anvil..It seems that everything anyone here suggests to help you does not work,,,I am lost in how to get you going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 15, 2012 Author Share Posted October 15, 2012 iam prepare to make bellows some material need to come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted October 15, 2012 Share Posted October 15, 2012 You will not break the sledge Hammer as long as you are hitting on hot steel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Didn't you build a forge recently? I recall lots of questions about making bellows. If necessary a wood fire in a hole will heat that shaft enough to do basic, simple forging. Were I to need to use it I think I'd bend a few inches, say 9cm. of the square end to a 90* angle and set the other end in a wood block or bucket of cement. Just getting it to a high red or low orange heat is plenty hot enough to bend it though you may need a cheater pipe. Driving a couple heavy stakes in the ground will serve as a bending fork, drive them deep. Once an end is bent all you'd need to do is radius the edges and get to work. The length will serve for a wider face and you won't have any trouble straightening on the remainder of the sq shaft even if it is vertical. If you just have to have a round horn use the shaft where it's round. You can either bend it like above and forge a section flat or just use it vertical. In short, sure, you bet it'll work for an anvil, some boulders actually make quite nice anvils. The trick is finding a boulder with a fine grain so it doesn't mess up the finish on your work. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 iam prepare to make bellows some material need to come Ah now I see it, you're STILL making bellows. They are NOT complicated things, you can use a paper bag+pipe or cardboard boxes and a little tape to make perfectly effective bellows. Try doing some web searches about 3rd world blacksmiths, smiths in Africa, India, the mid-east, etc. do some truly inspiring work with not much more than a hole in the ground and a couple pieces of bamboo with feathered sticks for bellows. Seriously, I find these guys to be truly inspiring, they have virtually nothing but their hands, skill and imaginations. For example, there are smiths in the mountains of Turkey who are copying AK47s, M16s, M2 machine guns and much more with scrounged steel, camel dung forge fires and not much but their skills. Frosty The Lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azur Jahić Posted October 20, 2012 Author Share Posted October 20, 2012 how you mean to use carboard to make bellows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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