basher Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 I made this little forge for one of my students , its a modified vertical forge for bladesmithing and making damascus . Naturally aspirated . Hot Box! hope you like . Quote
Francis Trez Cole Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 nice can you get to welding temp with it? Quote
KST1-Derek Fultz Posted September 8, 2011 Posted September 8, 2011 Neat little forge. I like the graphics. Gives it some personality. Does it have a pass through? -Derek Quote
basher Posted September 8, 2011 Author Posted September 8, 2011 yes to welding temp and it has equal doors on both sides. Quote
pkrankow Posted September 9, 2011 Posted September 9, 2011 Cool looking outside and graphics. What's the inside look like? Phil Quote
basher Posted September 9, 2011 Author Posted September 9, 2011 well I got no pictures of that , its ceramic board with a generous wash of high temp fire clay . Quote
Madmike Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Lovely Did you put some kind of borax resistant stuff in the bottom or kitty litter or have you found some borax resistant fire clay ? Quote
basher Posted September 10, 2011 Author Posted September 10, 2011 borax resistant!! no such thing! I run my own welding forge from hard fire brick and have tried hi temp 1700C refactory and 1500 refactory (which is the most flux resistant) and they all get eaten , My personal forge is a much bigger heavier and more industrial structure than this takes around 40 mins to reach welding I let the flux gloop build up and have to constantly replace linings bricks it is a work in progress . I have lined this forge with fire clay used to make hard fire brick and it will resist a little while.... Borax mixed in with oxidised iron is a powerfull corrosive mix , having a dump zone at the bottom of the forge helps stop the gloope getting on your billet and having easily replacable lining is a big advantage. Quote
Madmike Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Mine is vertical with kitty litter at the bottom ;) Quote
Ric Furrer Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I have seen forges with slanted bottoms that are raised up a bit and the flux drains out...it helps a little with flux damage, but in the end the forge interior is just a consumable. Ric Quote
Sam Salvati Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 That's a hot looking box Ahhh there's things being developed here and there I am privy to, such a forge lining does indeed exist that almost completely resists borax.......more on that later :D Quote
basher Posted September 10, 2011 Author Posted September 10, 2011 Remind me to have a chat about that Sam Quote
Ric Furrer Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 There is a green high chromium mix that works well, but I have found that it is not worth the cost as relining is one of the things that simply needs doing. I reline every six months on my welding furnace. Ric Quote
Sam Salvati Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 This liner type costs less than 20$.....mums the word for now though. Quote
pkrankow Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I am willing to bet it includes a very high zircon load, over 70% zircon flour with a binding agent, possibly kaolin, but kaolin is not very resistant to borax at temperature. Phil Quote
gearhartironwerks Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I have seen forges with slanted bottoms that are raised up a bit and the flux drains out...it helps a little with flux damage, but in the end the forge interior is just a consumable. Ric Ahhh, yep. Use it, abuse it, and make a new one. Couldn't agree more. JE Quote
Frosty Posted September 20, 2011 Posted September 20, 2011 Using a high phosphate or phosphate bonded refractory will cure the borax problem. Any high silica refractory will dissolve when in contact with a caustic like HOT borax. High alumina like Kaolin is a lot more resistant so ITC-100 or the equivalent helps a lot. High phosphate on the other hand doesn't notice hot hot HOT caustics. I used to be able to get Pyramid Super air set rammable which had a working temp rating of 4,000f and was used commercially to line 4,000f ammonia atmosphere furnaces. Pyramid is out of business and I don't think anyone is making the super air set. I'm sure someone is making a replacement though, I just haven't seen any. Frosty The Lucky. Quote
HWooldridge Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 AP Green sold a plastic rammable product about 25 years ago which was so stiff that it had to be hammered into form. You had to air dry it for about 2 weeks then fire slowly. It turned an orangish red color and became brittle after full fire but would resist welding flux for a long time. I made up several floor tiles that lasted me until a year or so ago, even if only in pieces near the end. I've also thrown a plate of stainless in the bottom of gas forges since none of mine will get hot enough to melt it. None of the lightweight refractories I've used will resist borax but I've read that high zircon content resists flux. Quote
eric sprado Posted September 21, 2011 Posted September 21, 2011 I get pieces of pottery kiln shelving. Works well and resists flux. Yes lining is a consumable,but getting a little more mileage out of anything these days is desirable. Quote
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