archiphile Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Hey guys, just thought that you would all enjoy these videos. To view the videos click on the names at the top of the page. Noko - Video of a smith making a hand saw. NokoGiri - Video on another type of saw being made. Kanna - Video of Japanese first smithing a plane blade, and then of the "Die" maker making the plane body or "Die" . Genno - Blacksmith making a hammer. All videos are in Japanese, but I think you'll be able to see what is going on and understand it by watching it. Link> http://web.mac.com/nami_aru/Daiku/%E3%81%84%E3%82%89%E3%81%A3%E3%81%97%E3%82%83%E3%81%84.html Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fe-Wood Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 Thanks Archi- Those go in the pemenant collection :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 In "Genno - Blacksmith making a hammer", how the heck does he keep the steel from falling off?? Great video's, great blacksmith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted April 3, 2010 Share Posted April 3, 2010 thats what i was thinking?? beautiful to watch - so calm how they know exactly what theyre doing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 I had read some where that there was a type of flux that got sticky and held the pieces being welded together. I think it was made in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 This is the dedication I strive for but I cant help but wonder if they are compensated monetarily for their endeavors or spiritually only? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill in Oregon Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Downloaded the Apple plug ins and the videos load but don't play. I can manually advance the videos, and they look like fabulous stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 bet that guy dont get the money tho.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisG Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 OK..... I have a Mac, and got an addon for Firefox that allows me to download the videos, now I have permanent vids. I find their abilities and calm demeanor kind of unsettling, shows me their dedication to a craft amazing and tranquil. Or maybe it is just me. Since my Japanese is a little rusty I hope someone will be able to get an over dub for them. I would like to know if anyone knows what the flux the hammer maker was adding to join the "tool steel" to the body was. Also, what was the greenish liquid put onto the faces before hardening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Thompson Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 There seems a huge cultural difference in the way that the customer feels about the product. I know that people will buy pattern welded swords or knives but I don't think that there would be a huge market for hand made saws in the west. No matter how beautifully made, there can only be a very limited number of people who appreciate the skill involved and are prepared to pay the price. The Japanese seem to imbue these kinds of things with an extrinsic, mystical quality. Does anyone know what they are used for? Is there an ancient sect of warrior tree surgeons that roam the country in search of the eternal truths? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archiphile Posted April 5, 2010 Author Share Posted April 5, 2010 There seems a huge cultural difference in the way that the customer feels about the product. I know that people will buy pattern welded swords or knives but I don't think that there would be a huge market for hand made saws in the west. No matter how beautifully made, there can only be a very limited number of people who appreciate the skill involved and are prepared to pay the price. The Japanese seem to imbue these kinds of things with an extrinsic, mystical quality. Does anyone know what they are used for? Is there an ancient sect of warrior tree surgeons that roam the country in search of the eternal truths? Disagree (1), I got the link to the videos from a blog run by a man who makes western saws by hand. He sells them for a pretty penny. He had to stop taking orders because he was so back logged. That I know of there are about no less than five people around the country who make hand made saws. All of these people are making a decent living and have not stopped working because of the recession. Here are links to two sawmakers that I like. The fist one is where I got these videos from and the second one is another well respected maker. Link 1> http://www.eccentricwoodcraft.com/page3_toolworks.html Link 2> http://www.wenzloffandsons.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Thompson Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 I stand corrected; although, even as a smith, I can't imagine why they bother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomasPowers Posted April 5, 2010 Share Posted April 5, 2010 Well there are two classes of buyers for stuff like that---the true apex craftsmen to which the tools are worth the price! And the wannabe's to which the tools show off that they have the money but may get little use at all. A lot like the custom guitar world where some of the fanciest hand made guitars may see the least actual playing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec.S Posted April 6, 2010 Share Posted April 6, 2010 wow...they were facinating videos.......brilliant. You can tell that those smiths have aLOT of passion for their work!!!!! love the vids...thanks archi alec :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Trez Cole Posted April 7, 2010 Share Posted April 7, 2010 grant I have the same question about the flux (what is it) what keeps the steel on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec.S Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I have just found out what the sticky flux is... It is laffite plate.....applied between the two surfaces to be welded at red heat with a few light hammer blows to make it properly stick then and welding heat...the norm. alec I have attached a grab of the document also saying the website.Laffite plate 1.tiffLaffite plate 2.tiff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beth Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 thanks alec - wot is that stuff then and where do you get it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I have just found out what the sticky flux is... It is laffite plate.....applied between the two surfaces to be welded at red heat with a few light hammer blows to make it properly stick then and welding heat...the norm. alec I have attached a grab of the document also saying the website. The Japanese smith in the video of the plane blade dipped the tool steel in a liquid and pressed it into a powder flux of some sort and then placed it on the iron which was preheated. At that point it was put back in th forge and taken to welding heat. This could not have been "Laffite Plate". However it seemed to act like it in that it did seem to adhere the steel to the iron. I would also like to know what this flux is. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alec.S Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 I was talking about the hammer making one...this has a bit more info... http://chestofbooks....ding-Plate.html .... on the actual "stuff".... I am no expert i just saw it in an online publication... http://www.hct.ac.uk...blacksmith.html this was written very near to me... !!!! alec if anyone knows much more please tell us!!! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jura T Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 There are also a couple of videos on Japanese blacksmiths making tools on this youtube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/redorca999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Gomez Posted April 19, 2010 Share Posted April 19, 2010 Traditional Japanese smiths typically used a mixture of fine fresh rice straw ash (very high in silicates)and clay as their flux. as for the liquid that was painted on the face of the hammer my guess would be clay. This thin film of clay would prevent scaling/oxidation at the elevated temperatures needed for hardening, but could be rinsed off esily in order to observe the color of the face of the hammer durring tempering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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