Damascus Mike Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hi its Mike here if anybody out there has blue prints/plans for making a self operated press(the one with a car jack)please can i use them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Leppo Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 Hydraulic press - 20 ton This was built for a specific purpose; you will have to modify the design a little. Sorry, not really a "blue print" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted March 4, 2009 Share Posted March 4, 2009 BP0580 Press was built for a specific project but has since found use many times over. Air over hydraulics would speed things up for the operator, but many times I like the control slow provides. You may want to do a search of the IForgeIron Gallery for presses. There are several there. Also search the IForgeIron Forum for hydraulic presses, particularly for one Jr. Strasil made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted March 5, 2009 Author Share Posted March 5, 2009 thanx guys for the info, i have two old car jacks here, i plan to make a small portable press and a small portable power hammer but with the small press it must a small one that is made from hardly any thing can you explain to me how this small press works?or send plans or sumthing thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyGeorge Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 BP0580? Where'd ya find it at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 Where did i find what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CurlyGeorge Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Not you, Mike. Glenn said that BP0580 was a BP on the press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 i wanna know how to build that BP0580 press,i can get all the parts very easily so all i need is a blueprint or instructions how to build it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted March 6, 2009 Share Posted March 6, 2009 Mike, email your way. No real construction notes as the Blueprint was about a low cost, low pressure, and a slower way to use the press. Many times you do not need tons of pressure, just a gentle squeeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted March 6, 2009 Author Share Posted March 6, 2009 will this mini press be suitable for making knives and trying to forge welding damascus?if not please tell me what it can do? thanx mike will it??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 This press was not designed for knife work but low and slow pressure. The knife people can better advise as to what is needed in a press that is used for knife making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Budd Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I've got one that I made a few years ago and I don't think it would be fast enough for pattern welding. I built mine to make mokume and for that it works great :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnsrgn Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 SLOW, means the dies are in contact with the hot metal too long and sucks the heat out quickly, hand operated presses will not work for welding unless you want to take a new heat for each stroke of the press. FAST down and up is needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irnsrgn Posted April 12, 2009 Share Posted April 12, 2009 I think this is what Glenn was talking about, it uses a 10 ton Porta Power cylinder, but its not fast enough to weld with. Its made of 4 inch channel iron and 3/8 by 2 inch flat iron with 1/2 inch cold rolled pins, I keep it on my service truck for those small press jobs. Even this one is too slow to weld with, because of the large Cylinders and Low GPM and high pressure of the pump. 3000 rpm, 3000 psi, 3 gpm. 72 ton on 8 inch cylinder, 50 ton on 7 inch cylinder, its capable of over a 100 ton, but the table pins are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 12, 2009 Author Share Posted April 12, 2009 so then what do you guys suggest i do to make my small press?it cant be air powered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 what do i use for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Mike, you must inventory out what you have available, and formulate a plan to put it together in such a way it works to get the job you want done. Each of us have different parts, different needs, and a different way to put it all together. Just build it 10 times as strong as you think you will ever need. What you do not use is the safety factor of the design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 ok well iwant to make a small press for knife and damascus making.i already have a jack, square toobing and i beam and all the metal i need to make it from, now i just need a plan and a design Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dablacksmith Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 ok well iwant to make a small press for knife and damascus making.i already have a jack, square toobing and i beam and all the metal i need to make it from, now i just need a plan and a design ok this isnt going to make you happy but to weld damascus you dont need a small press you need a big one... but mostly you need a fast one ...the presses ive seen for damascus welding run 20 tons or better and have a hi gph pumps and large cylinders ... smaller ones are useing 4 in cylinders with 8 in travel and useing 7-10 hp electric motors to run pumps ... if this dosent scare you off i would check with the knife guys here on i forge iron or dug foggs knifemakers forum . this is something a friend of mine is building and they can be DANGEROUS ... there is high pressure hydraulics involved .good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweany Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Mini Press control set up - BladeForums.comBladeForums.com - View Single Post - Photos Mini Forging Press, Pictures Mini Hydraulic Press some of the guys over on bladeforums have had sucess with these, you just hafta make a smaller billet. A friend of mine told me he watched a guy make a pocketknife sized billet in a big vice, one heat one squeeze. Mike, personally I think you need to get one project or one procedure under your belt before you move on to something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Mike, no matter what press you build, the design success will depend on your ability to make good strong welds. What type welder do you intend to use, what rod, how much welding experience do you have, how many hours welding, how much rod have you burned (how many 50 pound boxes of rod)? If your welding skill and expertise is not first rate, your press will not be first rate either. In that case you may want to back up, increase the strength of the design and the size of the metal stock, and use heavy bolts (heavy being a subjective term here). Another issue in the design of the press is failure of the hydraulic hose. Hot high pressure hydraulic fluid can do a lot of physical damage to flesh, and as you are using the press to squeeze hot metal, there is a very real fire danger from the hydraulic fluid catching fire. Design so that all lines are protected from physical damage and have no kinking issues or damage. Also design so that in case of a hydraulic line failure the hot fluid is contained or diverted from the operator and any flame or ignition source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 ok well i can build it exactly like one of these and ive got an air compressor now,what does the fitting look like that fits into the jack for the air to travel through? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orgtwister Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 for the conector for air line the one i have has a 1/4 pipe thread that i have a standerd quick conect fitting (standerd here in the us)on mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 16, 2009 Author Share Posted April 16, 2009 do u have a picture of it? if it wont work then where can i finds plans to build a mini trip hammer?like the Olly hammer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damascus Mike Posted April 17, 2009 Author Share Posted April 17, 2009 Will the Olly hammer work for damascus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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