A36 forge welding

[Jdub2]

 

Hi everyone new to this forum and new to forge welding. I have successfully forge welded 1018 but have had zero success with a36. My big question is what do I look for as an indicator that the metal is ready to come out of the forge? (Propane) forge temp is 2300 to 2500 depending on location in the forge. I don't think I am having a problem with technique just judging when it's ready to weld.

[anvil]

heres how i did it when i was learning forge welding, and it works for most steels. Im using a coal forge, so modify as needed. bring it up on a slow rising heat. rotate your steel to get an even heat throughout. Flux it at a good orange. Watch it close and when you first see any sparks, give it a little soak and you are there. This pushes the limits because the sparks are bad, but not that bad with a few sparks. its a good enough swop-off to gain the needed experience to easily forge weld A36, or anything.

[Frosty]

A few sparks are only effecting surface steel that will be lost to scale so it's no loss. Just don't turn the piece into a fireworks display. Yes?

Frosty The Lucky.

[Jdub2]

Thanks Anvil and Frosty. I will give the spark test a whirl. If successful I plan on making a wrapped eye tomahawk out of 1.5w x 3/16 thk stock. I have plenty of stock to practice with.

[bluerooster]

I may be doing it wrong, but even with a coal forge, I look for it to become the same color as the hot spot.  When I pull it out, it's steaming (even with no flux), and a spark or two is being emitted.   I usually heat it slow, and allow it to soak real good. I want everything to be the same temp. through and through.  Even then, it may not work on the first go.

  I remember one time, everything looked good, and I smacked it too hard. All my work vanished in a shower of sparks.

[Irondragon Forge ClayWorks]

The description given by anvil is how I was taught, by a master blacksmith, and it works for me.

[ThomasPowers]

Note that I've had some A-36 that didn't like welding and other that did fine.  If you are doing things right and still having issues---try a different piece!

[hheneg]

Ive had pretty good luck in when the surface starts looking greasy like you dipped it in the deep fryer.  Thats for new or clean a36 in a clean fire.  I dont use flux for those.  If its a large piece or complicated intersection, or uneven surfaces at the contact area I use some borax.  the real secret is practice.