Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 How did this happen? Can you do this? Do you assume this was done in the mint. No metal fabricator I have spoken to has been able to even attempt to duplicate this, and "mint error images" on google produced no similarities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Creek Blacksmith Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Dropped from a tall building and landed on its edge????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley Chambers Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 looks like it was sat on end on a hot plate enough to heat it but not burn off the coating Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBower Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Drop it from a great height onto a hard surface, and get lucky enough to have it land directly on edge? Or otherwise propel it edge-first into a hard surface at high velocity, edge-first? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBower Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 looks like it was sat on end on a hot plate enough to heat it but not burn off the coating Possible. What year was it minted, Beejay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 oh i thought u guys were just kidding around. but......ok so i think i get it what u guys r saying. this was done to a cold penny versus intense velocity such as shot out of a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 the penny is 1972, I couldnt load the head side of it for some reason. I am really worried and mad cuz i put in on ebay and it has only 2 days left and I think it is a bit more special then i had assumed. I was kicked off a coin forum this morning cuz i said it was on ebay (i guess) the ebay listing is: Penny Mint Error Mistake ANOMALY, Puzzle, BIZARRE Area 51 ALIEN ARTIFACT ??? and the pictures are better on this listing. the guys in the coin forum said its post mint, which means they assume I counterfeited a mint mistake and this incurred there wrath. but anyway, you are saying it was shot into a wall at 350 feet per second - any other ideas?? yes it weights the same as a penny, and yes its thicker at the smashed end, and stands up perfectly on a table. (I found it with a metal detector in Bellmont Shores) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Creek Blacksmith Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 You are asking the wrong guys send it into Myth Busters and let them blow it up!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 it really xxxxx cuz on ebay, those people lacking experience to discern a genuine oddity, they will just think "oh, melted and smashed on one end to counterfeit a mint mistake,....BIG DEAL" nooooo not that simple no i'm not a smith at all but i did work as a machinist in aerospace and fabricated stuff in the garage so yes i instantly was puzzled by it. oddly enough since i did mention area 51 on the forum, my phone has been tapped and tampered with since I was also "extracted" (?) from the forum. (in only 3 hours) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBower Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 If it's a 1972 penny it's almost pure copper, so a hotplate wouldn't do it. The melting point is near 2000 degrees F. I think that'd be tricky to do with heat to pure copper without melting it. The design is still intact. With intense heat I'd expect some of the fine details to start melting. Might be possible if you were extremely careful, but I'm still leaning toward some kind of impact. (But if it was an impact, why isn't the edge damaged?) Interesting puzzle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksnagel Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Looks like a mint mistake. Possibly got wedged in the machine as it was headed down the line just long enough to deform it. Or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 There just is no reason to believe it was done at the mint. It was done after it was struck, so it could have happened anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkmas Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 what would happen if a stack of coins where clamped together and sat into a swage of matching circumference and smacked on stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 no this cant be a "mint error" cuz I googled thousands of those. not one of them indicates any melting action whatsoever and one reason could be cuz in the mint they apparently only just smash cold metal blanks with a press and so it duzn heat it enough that this could then occur and, since if the penny were only pressed, how could it flatten only on one side - penny would be molested on the opposite end. a blow torch flame would melt the delicate lettering rather quickly before that sudden instant in time wherein the penny becomes a blob of worthless copper not to mention the discoloration long before that happens. experienced coin people are saying it is indeed special. (I tried hitting a penny with a hammer, to hit it hard enough to even dent the penny this much requires enough force to plant a large nail in one blow plus the penny begins to always bend this way or that long before the required force can be inflicted and by that time hammer control? nada. guess all it takes is the appropriate gun then. any guess on the FPS? The End. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBower Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 what would happen if a stack of coins where clamped together and sat into a swage of matching circumference and smacked on stop? Maybe something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattBower Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 (I tried hitting a penny with a hammer, to hit it hard enough to even dent the penny this much requires enough force to plant a large nail in one blow plus the penny begins to always bend this way or that That's why jkmas suggested stacking a bunch of them together and clamping them. No bending that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 good one jkmas u could be right. you might not really even need a swage of matching circumference if you just placed a slab of wood or hard rubber under a quarter inch slab of iron for the surface that you would then rest the coin roll on. reason i say is cuz obviously it is the (faster) moving hammer would always dent the penny significantly more then would the (stationary) base, however adding only a small amount of give to the stAtionary surface would enhance this "phenomena" and lessen the dent on the opposite side the hammer - but I think it was only the thin rectangular barrel of the air gun caused that one penny to remain held appropriately at attention while it then hit the wall in perfect alignment. its cuz the penny is no longer round but is instead as perfectly out of round as a piece of clay would then be if it had been dropped onto a table top on end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 My father is a well know coin dealer with over 40 years in the business and a publishes author on the subject. I have handled many mint errors personally. I worked in his shop as a kid and young adult. Normal mint errors are double struck or struck off center. Also there can be defects in the blank or planchet where it is cracked or part of it is cut away by the punch that makes the blank making a second cut off center. My semi-professional opinion is that it was damaged after it left the mint. My father and I played around with my press in the shop to see if we could duplicate some of the effects strictly for research purposes. We came up with some interesting things but nothing like a real mint error. The coins were later destroyed as this is would be considered highly unethical in numismatic circles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakedanvil - Grant Sarver Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I also don't see any reason to believe any heat was involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Miller Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 What does the edge look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayden H Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'm not admitting to anything here, but on some large staple guns you can shoot pennys, punch blanks, all kinds of stuff. This is what that reminds me of, really, really high speed impact into a hard surface (Like a steel plate) can have that effect. But it is very hard to do, as well as dangerous. They did it on Mythbusters tha way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beejay Evon Posted November 19, 2011 Author Share Posted November 19, 2011 it's in the details. u nailed the question and i never thought anyone would ask it. to me the edge only adds to the mystery southshore because i'd noticed on my edge, on the penny i (just now) smashed with a hammer it's relatively dull just as i knew it would be versus its natural and semi gloss ORIGINAL penny edge - i.e. dull where the hammer hit ....but on this wierdo penny the flat edge is a gloss. (not like glass mind u but too shiny to be a natural penny edge) why? and in turn the natural penny edge is like a flat paint. i DID used a hammer with a smooth surface. i operated a metal detector and was accustomed to inspecting my finds closely so the edge has always puzzled me but there is one other thing being the edge is mildly faceted with slight but abrupt "inverted and into the coin" angles 3 of them - and if that were not enough the center angle (2 on each end, one in the middle, each say 4 mm long,).....the center "facet" is arched, gently arched upward. well like i say there is some "oddly" advanced technology out there and to be honest at no time will (EYE) ever assume this case was closed with an airgun or hammer since you didn ask = (2 lines angled into the penny on either end and one line arched gently upwards in the center) the reason hammer ideas don't sit well with me. its because of the wierdo edge but then even if it were shot from a gun what kind of a surface must the penny impact in order to produce a shine? OK so my hammer is not a perfect polish but i always naturally assumed the rule was, hammer? = dull edge (in this particular case) so the next step is maybe someone out there can hit a pennies end and see if they can produce a (shinier) surface with THEIR perfect and polished hammer. well i'll tell you one thing there isn't even a shred of evidence to be found on the opposite edge. I would upload a photo but I think that can only be done on the original post. Note: the 3 lines of the facet are not abrupt and also each is vaguely unique. sure this penny can be duplicated untill you consider the details but i dunno then it seems to me you'll likely have to cheat in order to duplicate it. my email southerncalifornian@verizon.net and i will send photos of the edge. yeah no this penny also stands up on a granite countertop like a grey alien manufactured it so if anyone wants to show off and duplicate it be sure and keep that one in mind too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmoothBore Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Historically, the practice of firing coins from a shotgun, is quite common. I suspect that a penny, fired into soft ground, ... would deform in a similar fashion, ... without leaving any "tool marks". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigfootnampa Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 I'd have to have it to duplicate it exactly... but I am supremely confident that I could do it if it were worth my effort. Lots of interesting things can be done with a bit of ingenuity and patience. Take a look at some examples of coin rings for example, many done with the simplest of tools too (a teaspoon). Glossy surface is EASY to accomplish! Yes, a polished hammer will produce polished surfaces where it impacts malleable metal. Shiny spoon... same story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don't tread on me Posted November 19, 2011 Share Posted November 19, 2011 Can you put more pics on from diferent sides of the coin, it might just be shadow but it looks to me like there is some fanet discoleration on it. And have any of you thought it might never have been a penny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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