rolyater Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hi All, I am missing an anvil for a Nazel 2B. My was stolen from a friends storage yard in San Diego, prior to 6 months ago. Discovered it missing when I went to load it, and the rest of the machine, to haul it to New Mexico to start using it finally. I have owned about 5 years. If anyone one has any leads it would really appreciated! Also does anyone know about the inter-changeability of the anvils between the various sizes of hammers? Thanks, Ron Taylor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrystagmer Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 The sizes are very different. It would be easier to build it from a few large chunks then to cut one down. Mine is currently not installed and I can give you exact dimensions if you need. Hopefully it will be in the ground in a couple weeks. If you could find an anvil from a smaller hammer like a fairbanks or another hammer with a tall anvil with no foot it would be easier then converting a footed nazel anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrystagmer Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I do know that Postville bought some derelict 2B's last year. Maybe they have an anvil for sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgemaster Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I have a 3 cwt alldays and onions that is missing an anvil, it was I think left in the ground by the people who removed the hammer from it previous working place. I had planned to fabricate a new anvil out of 4" plate, 1 plate for the base, then laminate whatever I needed for the upright part, all laminated, heavily vee'd out and welded but essentially solid, not hollow. Havent needed to install that hammer yet so havent needed to make the anvil. If you can't find a replacement anvil this method could be a means to an end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old N Rusty Posted March 7, 2011 Share Posted March 7, 2011 I am going to see a cantankerous, old, smelly, hard headed, COLLECTOR. (SPIT) who has had a 2b sitting outside in the weather for some twenty plus years. Likely the only piece of that machine that aint rusted solid and is still servisable would be the anvil. If i survive the encounter with him and he is somewhat reasonable about selling ANYTHING, whats it worth? He is near False River La. right next to nowhere and shipping may be an issue. I hate to go there, it's likely make me mad, when i see a PILE of anvils just rusting away! COLLECTORS! (SPIT)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 I am going to see a cantankerous, old, smelly, hard headed, COLLECTOR. (SPIT) who has had a 2b sitting outside in the weather for some twenty plus years. Likely the only piece of that machine that aint rusted solid and is still servisable would be the anvil. If i survive the encounter with him and he is somewhat reasonable about selling ANYTHING, whats it worth? He is near False River La. right next to nowhere and shipping may be an issue. I hate to go there, it's likely make me mad, when i see a PILE of anvils just rusting away! COLLECTORS! (SPIT)!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 7, 2011 Author Share Posted March 7, 2011 Hi Rusty, It would be worth quite a bit, but would depend if its the right one, and what the costs involved in moving it are. My machinery is in San Diego, but will eventually move to New Mexico. I would certainly give a couple of grand for the right one delivered price. Thanks for your interest, and help Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 The sizes are very different. It would be easier to build it from a few large chunks then to cut one down. Mine is currently not installed and I can give you exact dimensions if you need. Hopefully it will be in the ground in a couple weeks. If you could find an anvil from a smaller hammer like a fairbanks or another hammer with a tall anvil with no foot it would be easier then converting a footed nazel anvil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 8, 2011 Author Share Posted March 8, 2011 Kerry, Thanks for your help. The dimensions would be greatly appreciated, a photo would be helpful as well, if available. Good luck on your installation. I do know about the Potsville 2B,s and they do have an anvil, its left handed, and mine is right handed, not a huge problem, I don't think. I plan on going to see it. They also want a lot for it! Thanks again, Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patrick Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Another way to make a replacement anvil is to contact a large forge shop and see if they will rough forge a block or round from a piece of scrap for a reduced price. I think there are one or two open die forge shops on the west coast. You could also contact a company like EMJ or Castle Metals and see if they have some drops or shorts of large rounds that they would sell at a reduced rate. I know they deal in rounds up to 30" since we have forged product of that size for them. I don't know how short a peice has to be before the scrap it, but even if it is a foot you could ask for a couple of pieces. Or offer to buy a random length between X and Y and then cut to your needs later. An anvil doesn't need to be anything fancy-1018/A-36 etc will do, though if they have some other alloy that they are looking to get rid of, that could work for you too. Patrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I do know of a couple forge shops who could forge you a anvil billet but good gads I bet you would be talking less money to buy a new china made anvil and pay shipping... I would be real surprised if you could get an anvil forged and machined for less than $20K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNewman Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 You could call around and see if there are any steel foundries in your area that will work from a styrofoam pattern. You could then make a styrofoam pattern 2% larger than the anvil and have them cast it for you. It won't be cheap and I can see the machining being pricey too, but it is an option for you. On second thought ductile iron might be a cheaper option, a large simple casting like that you MIGHT get it down under $2.00/lb. While steel foundries will cast ductile, iron foundries are often cheaper for ductile than the steel foundry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillon Sculpture Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Built this out of 9 pieces of 6" as a sow block for my Niles weighs in at a ton, took about 40 hrs of welding, not much $ and works fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 Built this out of 9 pieces of 6" as a sow block for my Niles weighs in at a ton, took about 40 hrs of welding, not much $ and works fine. Micheal, Nice job! I have been looking for some appropriate stock to work with. If I don't find a replacement in the near future, I will probably do something similar. Thanks for your imput! Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrystagmer Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Lefthanded/righthanded is no real issue. Just recut the dove in the sowblock the other direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old N Rusty Posted March 20, 2011 Share Posted March 20, 2011 by chance i saw the collector in lowes he said we gotta get that hammer to your shop and run it.fat chance ,that hammer got a lot of repair/cleaning to be done before it runs, and he say when i ask about his PILE of anvils" Thats personal" i will not sweep a spot just yet for that nazel 2b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fosterob Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 May be easy to repair. If the price is right then get it. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted March 22, 2011 Author Share Posted March 22, 2011 by chance i saw the collector in lowes he said we gotta get that hammer to your shop and run it.fat chance ,that hammer got a lot of repair/cleaning to be done before it runs, and he say when i ask about his PILE of anvils" Thats personal" i will not sweep a spot just yet for that nazel 2b Hi Rusty, Thanks for checking on 2b! Does this mean that he is considering parting with the machine, or the anvil? I'd like to pursue it if you think its a possibility. I have some friends in Baton Rouge, the Broussard's. Brumby rents a store from me. Thanks again for your interest and help. Please let me know how to proceed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old N Rusty Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 We will see if the conversion from an anvil collector to a smith takes hold, it wont be as easy to haul and set it up as he thinks it will be, there is a high bridge between where he is and baton rouge. many trucks can cross only in "granny" and i dont think it would fit in a pickup, I use an old style little giant 100 and it suits me, this hammer, the nazel ,looks like it will be a job to break one nut and there are MANY. and GREASE! and my nail polish! oh! its alarming! He said it ran when they got it they had it setting on a concrete floor and likely were bottoming out the ram each stroke. some fools when they get a fortune have to waste it, FAST! these are a family of OIL money. and the old guy was interested in smith tools so his sons set out to buy it all. they dont care to use any of it just collect it, i am being nice to the fool, just get it to MY shop, and it will stay, i installed a big tool magnet in my concrete floor, haha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted April 5, 2011 Author Share Posted April 5, 2011 The sizes are very different. It would be easier to build it from a few large chunks then to cut one down. Mine is currently not installed and I can give you exact dimensions if you need. Hopefully it will be in the ground in a couple weeks. If you could find an anvil from a smaller hammer like a fairbanks or another hammer with a tall anvil with no foot it would be easier then converting a footed nazel anvil. Hi Kerry, I would like to have the dimensions of your 2B anvil if it is still handy. How is your installation coming along? I look forward to hearing about it. Thanks, Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harrismetalsmith Posted April 8, 2011 Share Posted April 8, 2011 Ron, I am in the process of raising my anvil and hammer height. So when I pulled up the anvil i shot these photos for you. The base measures 36" by 17 1/2". The baseplate is about 2 1/2" on the end and tapers up to 4" thick as it becomes the main post. The main anvil is a 17 1/2" octagon, The one photo shows the height to the bottom of the dovetail. All of the blocking in these photos is only temporary as we raise the hammer. I am using oak for all of the permanent blocking. These last photos are of an extra sow block I have. It is not good for the regular sow block because the dovetails are not 90 degrees to one another, but it may be good to use to weld into your anvil to create a dovetail for your sow block to connect into. If you want it you can have it, just pay the shipping, it is heavy. If I had to do it all over I would have mounted the hammer and anvil to a 3" baseplate like the guy posted on my Nazel die height post. You could do this and use that large baseplate as the base to weld your anvil to. The more mass the merrier! Just a thought. Sorry your anvil was stolen. Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolyater Posted April 8, 2011 Author Share Posted April 8, 2011 Ron, I am in the process of raising my anvil and hammer height. So when I pulled up the anvil i shot these photos for you. The base measures 36" by 17 1/2". The baseplate is about 2 1/2" on the end and tapers up to 4" thick as it becomes the main post. The main anvil is a 17 1/2" octagon, The one photo shows the height to the bottom of the dovetail. All of the blocking in these photos is only temporary as we raise the hammer. I am using oak for all of the permanent blocking. These last photos are of an extra sow block I have. It is not good for the regular sow block because the dovetails are not 90 degrees to one another, but it may be good to use to weld into your anvil to create a dovetail for your sow block to connect into. If you want it you can have it, just pay the shipping, it is heavy. If I had to do it all over I would have mounted the hammer and anvil to a 3" baseplate like the guy posted on my Nazel die height post. You could do this and use that large baseplate as the base to weld your anvil to. The more mass the merrier! Just a thought. Sorry your anvil was stolen. Matt Matt, Thank you so much for the dimensions and pictures. They will help a lot. The offer of the sow block, is really appreciated, and it would certainly come it handy, especially if I have to fabricate a new one(which looks increasingly likely). I'd be more than happy to pay the freight, and give you something for to block as well. It looks like you are in the middle of a wrestling match. It is really important to have the machine a a comfortable working height. Hope it goes smoothly. The previous owner of my hammer had it mounted on a stack of plywood (about 9" thick, as I recall), with nice cutouts for the anvil, all on top of a steel plate on a heavy slab. It was straight forward, and worked well for him. Thanks again for your help! I'll email my contact info. <taylorre@gmail.com> Ron Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickBalz Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I have gotten my hands on a nazel 2b it is 2 peaces and weighs about 11000# ,in good shape it seams , although it has been out side for about 6months . And unfortunately I don't think I can afford to put it in my small shop due to cost. Would any of you be interested in it ? Comes with tooling and looks like new dies ? Thanks nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monstermetal Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I know its ridiculous to even think.... But I have a spare 4B anvil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JNewman Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I have gotten my hands on a nazel 2b it is 2 peaces and weighs about 11000# ,in good shape it seams , although it has been out side for about 6months . And unfortunately I don't think I can afford to put it in my small shop due to cost. Would any of you be interested in it ? Comes with tooling and looks like new dies ? Thanks nick Where are you located? Maybe you should start a new thread, I am sure you can get a good price unless you are near me in which case the hammer is almost worthless ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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