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OK, so I've searched the forums (probably missed something somewhere though :D) and I can't seem to find anything on leaves and vines...

I'm not have a problem with the leaves so much...getting those down pretty good I think.

The vine/stem on the other hand...

I usually start the leaf/vine combination with either 3/8" or 1/2" diamter round stock (scrap yard find, so no clue what steel it is).

I taper the end about 1" to 2" from the end, then fuller on the edge of the anvil to make the "neck" or beginning of the stem.

Cut it off about 3 or 4 inches long (from the base of the leaf) then start drawing it out.

Frustrating part is, I can't seem to get the stem to reduce in diameter very far.

Don't know if I'm just being impatient, need to work on hammer control, tong control, or what.

Getting the piece plenty hot (very bright yellow. hard to look at sometimes), so I know that's not it.

Any ideas?

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Start with a square taper on the end of the stem and work it to the size you desire, as you do that work it back to the leaf. When you get to the rough size you desire for the full length of the stem, start to make it octagon then round for the finished stem. - JK

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What comes to my mind is, use the pien end and make a series of divots in a fairly ordered progression, on all 4 sides. Then come back and forge the divots out. It's also fun to use a rounding hammer on the horn, you get actions on 2 sides of your work. Square, Octagon, Round.

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A lot of it is hammer selection, or where on the anvil.
You have to understand HOW to move the metal.
To make my stems, I either use a rounded corner of the anvil or my cross peen, to PUSH the metal in the long direction, then use a rounding hammer to round and clean it up.

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For that size material you hardly need a fuller. Your hammer will draw it out fine. But in drawing out always hammer out a square taper first, then octagon and then round. Actually for vines it looks great to stop at octagon and do some back and forth twisting. That will give it more life.

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Don't have a fuller or a rounding hammer (not even a hardy hole on my anvil).

Coal forge, Anvil, cross peen hammer and a couple of ball peens. Just starting out in blacksmithing. still building tool inventory.

I think I'll try Mr. Larkin's idea of "use a rounded corner of the anvil or my cross peen, to PUSH the metal in the long direction" tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.

Thanks for the advice all.

David

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Don't have a fuller or a rounding hammer (not even a hardy hole on my anvil).

I think I'll try Mr. Larkin's idea of "use a rounded corner of the anvil or my cross peen, to PUSH the metal in the long direction" tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.


Well, I took the advice that I *could* use (it was all good advice, but some didn't apply to my situation)

I *think* I did ok. the stem/vines seemed to turn out a bit better, although I'm still not *quite* happy with how they came out. Probably just need to be a bit more patient (you would think that after 15 years of weaving thousands of tiny rings into clothing, I would *have* enough patience. lol)

leaf progress.jpg

The viening on the leaves aren't as good as they could be, I think because I don't have any way to hold the piece on the anvil while I get the chisel in place before striking. Working on figuring out a hold down tool that wouldn't require a hardy hole. Tried using a C-Clamp, but can't get it to hold tight enough :confused:

comments? Suggestions?

Thanks, David
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There's a definite improvement there! Well done!

I've got an effective and simple hold down tool on my anvil. It consists of a section of motorcycle chain, which is nailed to the stump on the opposite side from which you normally work. Then it's draped over the top of the anvil, and the other end is attached to a square of steel big enough to put your foot into.

How it works is you position your workpiece on the anvil, with the chain across it. Put your foot in the "stirrup" to apply pressure, which holds the piece, leaving your hands free.

I bought my anvil with the "hold-down" attachment already in place, and it's really handy. Can be made easily from scrap!

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Take a piece of chain long enough to go over your anvil and much of the way to the ground and fasten the chain to your stump. Put the chain on top of your work, or a piece of flat stock that you slide your work under.

Not ideal, but it keeps stuff from leaving the anvil. If you don't like it take it off. You probably have a chain in your garage to try with.

Phil

Tzonqua has it better. I just used a piece of chain I use landscaping 5/16 inch.

The left leaf does look really good, better than mine.
Phil

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