you always tell me to read the threads and postings properly so i can absorb all the info,now i think its your turn,im not having a go at you but you seriously miss alot of the things i say,if you can recall i said i dont know exactly what type of tungsten it is,i was told by the guy who made it that it was Tungsten he is my friend and i trust his judgement so dont be like this to me just because i trust what he says is true,but if you guys have such a problem with this whole thing then ill phone the guy and ask him what it is and if its pure or if its W carbide,and as to the rock it went into im not a rock specialist so i dont know if its soft or very hard but id take it that its not a hard rock because i agree with you people that if it was a very hard rock then the sword probly would have just stopped or exploded,as to the stop sign its made from steel and thats normally the thing we test swords on,obvioulsy the signs are old ones that we have been given to use for our cause.if there is another bad coment thrown towards me ill simply just ignor this thread.As i said ill get a pic of this sword and the rock the next time im there in that area.