ya I guess I should have made it more clear, that was the compitition that day. Plus, it is a cowboy event, the Calgary Stampede, so having horse shoeing is natural. BTW they did have a Canadian Ferriers Team there. There is also a shop there that sells products made a two local smithin shops around Calgary, which I got lots of ideas for my first projects, when I get my equipment together. Cool stuff to look at.